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SGBob



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 7:46 am    Post subject:  Reply with quote

If you saw a man with a mustache and a woman, that was the USFS employee that placed the locks. If you saw a fat guy in a light green Forest Service polo shirt with another guy with a radio then it was us. We we heading towards Hoegee's on the Upper Winter Creek around 14:00.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ha, yes it was definitely the mustache guy I saw; didn't really get a look at anyone else.  We almost must have passed you going the other way on the Upper Winter Creek but I guess I wasn't paying attention.  Heck, maybe we passed right as the 4 of you were talking.  We were a tallish guy and a short gal with a long braid and giant-brimmed hat.  You may recognize us from Blue Ridge Rd  Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So I was up at Hoegees Friday night/Saturday. There is already quite a bit of toilet paper around, some of it quite close to the creek. Saw some volunteers at Roberts Camp on Saturday and told them about the mess. They said that the FS is fighting the closures, that the info about Hoegees was helpful, and that they would try to get documentation to help with the fight. They also said that the EPA wants to close the toilets at Spruce Grove as well.

So if you happen to be up at Hoegees, you might take some photos of toilet paper and send them to the proper authorities.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is weird.  Does somebody actually think that (er...) dispersed elimination is the best solution here?  It's not the back country.  I mean, DeVore (restroom-free and I'm cool with that) is one thing but Hoegee's is another.  They should have estimated utilization numbers for the campgrounds that establish whether backcountry procedures are appropriate.  Could it be someone's trying to motivate the FS to drop in a new prefab john or something?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I went for a run this morning down the Gabrielino, up and over Zion and back to Chantry via Upper Winter Creek. The bathrooms at Cascade and Spruce Grove were locked, with no signage like the ones at Hogees had.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 7:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Slowest_Hiker wrote:
Does somebody actually think that (er...) dispersed elimination is the best solution here?  It's not the back country.


I don't have a strong opinion either way--at least not yet. I guess it partly depends on your definition of "back country." I don't think a truck can reach Hoegee's. So maintenance must be more of a hassle. What's the difference between a back country and walk-in campground?

A good argument for keeping the pit toilets might be privacy and cleanliness issues at a popular stream-side campground, where litter and pollution are already concerns.

But until we learn the reasoning behind the closures, I'll continue to assume that it's a federal conspiracy to drive humans out of the wilderness.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

psykokid wrote:
I went for a run this morning down the Gabrielino, up and over Zion and back to Chantry via Upper Winter Creek. The bathrooms at Cascade and Spruce Grove were locked, with no signage like the ones at Hogees had.


Thanks for the report.

ANF amenities listings would appear to be out of date.
https://www.fs.usda.gov/recarea/angeles/recarea/?recid=41704
https://www.fs.usda.gov/recarea/angeles/recarea/?recid=41702
https://www.fs.usda.gov/recarea/angeles/recarea/?recid=41820

Sean wrote:
I don't think a truck can reach Hoegee's.

True enough.  I had thought once before that those are about the only non-driveable restrooms in the ANF.  I thought they had a different arrangement for servicing them.  Maybe that fell through.

Sorry to see the area probably get grunged up.  Bit crowded for my taste now, but Spruce Grove was my very first beginner overnight backpack trip.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Toilets at Hoegees and Roberts Camp are open for now. According to a volunteer I saw, they've been opened and closed a few times. But open for now.

Hoegees was a fricken mess. I packed out a trash compactor bag stuffed full of trash, and If I had more room, I'm sure I could have doubled my pleasure.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

robow8 wrote:
According to a volunteer I saw, they've been opened and closed a few times.


Must be some exciting debates going on behind the scenes.  Confused

Thanks for the news.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I lament the days when the only way you heard about these plaecs to hike and camp was if you bought Robinson's guides. Now every low life loser scumbag knows about these places because of the internet and social moronathon sites and they drive up and shit all over the place. People suck.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 7:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HikeUp wrote:
I lament the days when the only way you heard about these plaecs to hike and camp was if you bought Robinson's guides. Now every low life loser scumbag knows about these places because of the internet and social moronathon sites and they drive up and shit all over the place. People suck.


Well, isn't this discussion board on the internet publicizing these places?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, but only to a very select community of people who don't suck.  Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We took some scouts from my sons troop up to Spruce Grove last night for a quick overnighter. The bathrooms were open.

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