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Prairie Fork - Lupine Road (3N39)

 
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 9:20 pm    Post subject: Road to Lupine Open? (Blue Ridge Road)  Reply with quote

Anyone know if the road to Lupine is open?  I assume it is, but I thought I'd check.  I got down there fine last year about this time in my Honda Accord.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 6:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blue Ridge Road (3N06.1 / .2) was open last weekend from end to end. The Lupine / Cabin Flat spur 3N39 was open at the top. We didn't drive down it to Lupine.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 7:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool.  Thanks!

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 9:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is that the same road to access the Fish Fork Campgrounds? How do you access that road?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unless there's a more convenient route of which I am unaware, this is the closest road to upper and lower Fish Fork trail camps. Follow 3N06.1 around six miles just past Guffy, turn down 3N39, continue ~ 3 more miles down to Lupine. A foot trail from Lupine follows up past the spring on an abandoned logging road over Pine Mountain ridge then down to upper fish fork trail camp. An alternative route is to continue along 3N06.1 and 3N06.2 to the north devil's backbone trailhead and hike over Pine Mountain and down to the Dawson saddle, following the old trail down to Fish Fork.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some of those trails are really tough to find.  The trail from the top of the ridge near Dawson Peak down to the Fish Fork area is really spotty.  You can find stretches of it but it's easy to lose the track.  Better be up on your XC land nav if you take that route just in case.

The trail to Little Fish Fork from Lupine isn't bad to follow although there are downed trees and such.  Past Little Fish Fork down to Upper Fish Fork (yes "Upper" Fish Fork is lower than "Little" Fish Fork), the trail is followable -- if you are accustomed to following all but gone trails.  I went down that way about a year ago.  I had no trouble finding the trail, but the two friends I was with were just scratching their heads.

If you take a look at this map of the area, start at point "A" just out of Wrightwood.  Turn left at "B".  Drive down the Blue Ridge Road to  point "I".  Veer right at "I" and head down toward Lupine CG.  The trail head is at point "N" just before Lupine CG.  Take the trail up and over Pine Mountain Ridge.  Leave Pine Mountain Ridge at "S".   The section from "S" to "U" is loose slidey stuff that you must traverse across.  From the small saddle at "U", drop down the switch backs which are more or less followable (some fallen logs) down to "Y".  There is an old logging road that runs in through here, so be careful to stay on the trail.  Turn left at "Y" (where you meet another logging road) and follow the old road bed down to Little Fish Fork Camp.  The camp is on the old logging road bed in a wide spot.  The map shows the road staying south east of the creek.  This is not correct.  The road recrosses the creek and the camp is on the NW bank of the creek.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jim Bob, Very Happy

Where you headed? Are you planning a little Pine Harwood adventure?

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zé wrote:
ACME-FU is baaaaack!
 Laughing  I freakin' love Acme Mapper.  Nothing makes it clearer to me than to see a route plotted clearly on a topo map.

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 Actually, I was thinking of doing a quick overnighter down at Upper Fish Fork.  Really nice area, and I'm willing to bet that even on the 4th of July weekend it'll be crowd free.  It's not quite straightforward to get there.

I re-injured my knee  Rolling Eyes again about a month and a half ago.  I was in a hurry going down a steep mountain trail.  I should know better than to push it down hill, but my friend needed to get back for his kid's birthday party, and I didn't want to be the jerk that made him late.  

Knee bad, so, no big gain hikes for me for a while.  Sad  Actually, Upper Fish Fork might even be a bit much.  It's a pretty steep pull back out of Upper Fish Fork to Little Fish Fork.   Argh.  A hiker with a bum knee?  Sux.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bad leg - HJ if it's the opposite leg to Norma, maybe you can tie the two together and hike side by side assisting each other  Shocked  Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 1:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lilbitmo wrote:
Bad leg - HJ if it's the opposite leg to Norma, maybe you can tie the two together and hike side by side assisting each other  Shocked  Very Happy
 Or I could take two good legs one weekend and she could take the good legs weekend after that.  Sort of an exchange program.  Course I'm a little taller than Norma... Laughing

What happened to Norma's leg?

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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lilbitmo wrote:
Bad leg - HJ if it's the opposite leg to Norma, maybe you can tie the two together and hike side by side assisting each other  Shocked  Very Happy
 Or I could take two good legs one weekend and she could take the good legs weekend after that.  Sort of an exchange program.  Course I'm a little taller than Norma... Laughing

What happened to Norma's leg?

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She hurt her ankle on a rappel a week ago, she's running around on crutches for the next 8 weeks - we miss her crazy antics, otherwise I think she would have joined the rest of us for the Cirque/Langley (mini death march) last Saturday. Hope your leg heals fast as well, there's nothing more frustrating than being out of commission because you cannot do your favorite activity - hiking. I tried two winters ago to burn through it when my knee was a twitching and it just took longer to heal, good ideal to just take it easy. Let us know how the water is running and the temp's back there at Fish Fork, enjoy yourself.  Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lilbitmo wrote:
She hurt her ankle on a rappel a week ago, she's running around on crutches for the next 8 weeks - we miss her crazy antics, otherwise I think she would have joined the rest of us for the Cirque/Langley (mini death march) last Saturday.
Ouch.  I'll have to drop her a get get well soon card of some sort.

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Hope your leg heals fast as well, there's nothing more frustrating than being out of commission because you cannot do your favorite activity - hiking.
 You're telling me.  Sux.  

lilbitmo wrote:
I tried two winters ago to burn through it when my knee was a twitching and it just took longer to heal, good ideal to just take it easy.
Yeah, trying to "hike it out" can result in permanent injury.  it's just plain not a good idea.  I've been resting it some and all like that.

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Let us know how the water is running and the temp's back there at Fish Fork, enjoy yourself.
 As much as I like that area and want to get back out there again, I'm thinking that the pull out of Upper Fish Fork is tempting "Murphy" with questionable knees like mine.  I'm thinking about doing something easy like the Cloudburst -Cooper - Buckhorn semi-loop.  Gotta watch out lest I get a bad case of "get-out-there-itis" and make things worse.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2011 12:54 pm    Post subject: Prairie Fork - Lupine Road (3N39) Reply with quote

Is that dirt road open to get to that area?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2011 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, it probably won't be until sometime in May, which is when it opens most years.  Remember, that road also goes right through Mt. High ski area, and they're usually open well into April.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 5:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Lupine and Fish Fork Reply with quote

Zach wrote:
Is that dirt road open to get to that area?
Dude, don't you know it's bad luck to go in there?  Wink

I think they usually have the road open Memorial Day weekend - November 15.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm planning to set the record straight this summer. But first, I just want to go camping at the sweet little spot in UFF.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 8:33 pm    Post subject: Is Blue Ridge road open to Lupine Camp? Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I only know with certainty that Blue Ridge Road was open this past Sunday. Don't know (sorry) regarding Guffy or beyond.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

According to the District Office, It is open to Guffy only right now. Maybe next weekend to Lupine as soon as they get the road cleared beyond that point down to Lupine and out to Wright Mtn.
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Thanks for the help!
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Planning on bagging those new HPS peaks?  Laughing
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Been thinking Prairie Fork must be a good place for critters, actually!
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 05, 2011 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone get out that way this weekend to see if it's open to lupine?

-edit. Today(Tuesday) they were bringing in a loader to move a 4 foot boulder and an even bigger tree to clear the road between guffy/the split to wright mountain and down to lupine. The ranger said they'd be done today or tomorrow
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 8:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

still closed at Guffy. There is apparently a large washout near Lupine camp that took out the whole road that they have been working on, so it's going to be a little longer before it opens. (per Big Pines RS)
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's open now.  Just drove through there this morning.



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:54 am    Post subject: Lupine Reply with quote

Mornin all.

Does anyone know if gate at  is open down to valley. Wasn't a few weeks ago, but CDF guys were saying it might soon.....

thx...

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As much as I hate non-responsive replies...

I hiked down this road on the 21st. I think the gate is less of an issue than the washout around 0.5 mile short of Lupine C.G.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thx Elwood,
I been down 4 time since May, know what ya mean, Ford F250, 35" tires, heck i'll make Cabin Flat for sure.

(usually base at Guffy, stop in)

Hate it when I c a Range rover driving by, me huffing a 50# up the trail, says they just drove around it........errrr

c u when i c u........
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heard it was shut two weeks ago. Dunno if that's changed though.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

According to the Big Pines Ranger Station on their Facebook page it is supposed to open sometime this week. My son & I hiked Pine Mtn on Saturday and it was not open then - we had to park at Guffy.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have to love the dirtballs who tore down two of the three cement barricades that were erected to the side of the gate, huh?

Personally, I wish they'd keep that road closed forever.

I've packed enough garbage out of that canyon to know that once the road opens we'll be seeing beer bottles and cigarette butts from those who don't quite "get it." It's obviously also bone dry down there. One spark hitting a fuel source and we'll kiss another section goodbye. The end of fire season can't come soon enough for me.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ur2slo wrote:
Thx Elwood,
I been down 4 time since May, know what ya mean, Ford F250, 35" tires, heck i'll make Cabin Flat for sure.

(usually base at Guffy, stop in)

Hate it when I c a Range rover driving by, me huffing a 50# up the trail, says they just drove around it........errrr

c u when i c u........


Just to toss this out there, it's prohibited for motor vehicles to drive to Cabin Flats. From talking to the Big Pines Ranger Station it looks like the Forest Service is gearing up to start nailing people who do.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2013 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Have to love the dirtballs who tore down two of the three cement barricades that were erected to the side of the gate, huh?

Personally, I wish they'd keep that road closed forever.

I've packed enough garbage out of that canyon to know that once the road opens we'll be seeing beer bottles and cigarette butts from those who don't quite "get it." It's obviously also bone dry down there. One spark hitting a fuel source and we'll kiss another section goodbye. The end of fire season can't come soon enough for me.



I've been away from the canyons and hills we all enjoy, for some years and the changes seen are amazing to me. The pictures of Cucamonga falls in the on the "trash on the trail" post, friggin made me stare wide eyed, unbelieving the mess the idiots have done to it. Jeez last time I was there musta been, 90 -92. I could not believe it. I actually had to show it to a son of a friend and he confirmed it, then had a fairly heated discussion on it. Being 25, he justified everything that was wrong. Screwed up society we got. IMHO

The "Entitlement Generation" is gonna ??? What, run the world? Hah!


THAT is my biggest concern, not cats, not bears, not thunderstorms, stupid people are my biggest.

I remember the first time I saw a rock tagged up east fork, maybe 84-85. Not sure if any remember, up about 3 miles on the east side of trail was some blackberry bushes, saw this friggin rock and in disgust ripped a piece of cardboard I had. Made a sign, said "No one can see this or cares about it" and left it on rock.

It's high time we tell stupid people they are stupid, not give "politically correct" answers.

And correct, ur next post is proper, I may compare it, but i have the common sense, givin to me as a youngen, to not. But can safely. Exhaust pipes get hot, not many these days know or care about that!

How many times this year I've been hiking back up to GUFFY from cabin flats,  50# on my old back, after being asked by the driver of a Range Rover AT Cabin Flats, if I'm prospecting and how to do it. My answer? "Dig some dirt, throw some water in. It ain't rocket science" lol.

 I was talking to the CDF crew that put the recent stantions in, after seeing the original guy in a jeep jump the gate. While talking to the local ranger, (no names, u may kno) I mentioned seeing the jeep guy down there. Hence the stantions. I came back 2 wks later to see them drivin over.....

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 1:57 pm    Post subject: Blue Ridge Rd. was open to Lupine 28 Sep 2013 Reply with quote

FYI, I only went as far as Guffy, but the gate there was open, which is odd because the ranger station was posting just the day before about how it is closed https://www.facebook.com/pages/Bi...s-National-Forest/181185338620103

Didn't look like it was open due to vandalism, so not sure what's up.
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Kool info SH, finally got a dozer in there sounds like. It's not normal for the FS ranger I talk to to leave it open, so hopefully will be till first snow anyway.

Happy trails.......
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah...it was open. I parked at Guffy and ended up staying at Cabin Flats due to bowhunters at Lupine. Not my vibe.

Also saw a couple of vehicles past Lupine which, according to the Forest Service, is off-limits. I asked a ranger once why they didn't at least have a sign saying it was a closed area and they said every time they put one up it gets destroyed. Just like the cement barriers they put up a couple of months ago next to the gate when it was closed. Walked back through Lupine and saw the typical garbage in the fire rings.

Man...that place is like a tinder box down there. I know that some hunters have their act together but I also know that some don't. A spark from a vehicle, a cigarette butt (spotted three on the ground) and it's going to be lights out for that canyon.

Personally, I wish they'd close that gate permanently. Of course, I also don't understand allowing deer hunting when the herds are no where near the point of needing to be culled.
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Teejate wrote:
Yeah...it was open. I parked at Guffy and ended up staying at Cabin Flats due to bowhunters at Lupine. Not my vibe.

Also saw a couple of vehicles past Lupine which, according to the Forest Service, is off-limits. I asked a ranger once why they didn't at least have a sign saying it was a closed area and they said every time they put one up it gets destroyed. Just like the cement barriers they put up a couple of months ago next to the gate when it was closed. Walked back through Lupine and saw the typical garbage in the fire rings.

Man...that place is like a tinder box down there. I know that some hunters have their act together but I also know that some don't. A spark from a vehicle, a cigarette butt (spotted three on the ground) and it's going to be lights out for that canyon.
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Ruhh ohhh Good points.....

stupid people alert!

Scary thinking about it.....
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My bucket and stuff still there?  Lol.   I have a few items over that way I need to get, some ropes are still up high too.

Didn't think it would open....b there next week. Prolly head in from VG tho...
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hiked the Manzanita Trail out of Vincent Gap yesterday.  In passing Blue Ridge I noticed that the Blue Ridge road is now gated at Route 2.  There was a FS LEO sitting in his truck by the gate.  At Vincent Gap, the main parking area has a sign "Recreation Site closed", which I assumed applied to the restroom (the sole amenity there).  Parking was being allowed in the lots on both sides of the road.  While I was preparing to set off on my hike, the LEO drove up, but just sat in his truck and did not try to engage me or anyone else in conversation.  I guess he was just sent on patrol to deter vandalism at the closed sites.  

The South Fork Campground at the bottom end of my hike was gated and deserted.  It was so nice to be able to walk through there (necessary to connect to the trails to Islip Saddle and Devil's Chair) in such a state.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2013 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tom S wrote:
I hiked the Manzanita Trail out of Vincent Gap yesterday.  In passing Blue Ridge I noticed that the Blue Ridge road is now gated at Route 2.  There was a FS LEO sitting in his truck by the gate.  At Vincent Gap, the main parking area has a sign "Recreation Site closed", which I assumed applied to the restroom (the sole amenity there).  Parking was being allowed in the lots on both sides of the road.  While I was preparing to set off on my hike, the LEO drove up, but just sat in his truck and did not try to engage me or anyone else in conversation.  I guess he was just sent on patrol to deter vandalism at the closed sites.  

The South Fork Campground at the bottom end of my hike was gated and deserted.  It was so nice to be able to walk through there (necessary to connect to the trails to Islip Saddle and Devil's Chair) in such a state.


Good to know Tom. I'd actually asked on another thread if anyone had been up there since the shutdown which, I'm sure, is why the gate was closed.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 8:03 pm    Post subject: Road Open - Lupine Campground? Reply with quote

Does anyone know whether or not the road is currently open to Lupine Campground?

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I wouldn't hold your breath. The road is in such bad shape it would take a lot to get it open for normal vehicle traffic, only to be washed away again with the next big thunder storm. It's become our area's Hwy 39.

There is talk of installing another gate further down Blue Ridge road at the next "Y" in the road so you could at least drive to the end of the road at Slover Canyon while keeping the road down into Lupine closed.

Some have talked about making that road down into Lupine an OHV road since Jeepers seem to like it, but making that happen would require a lot of red tape.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also:

The road going down into Camp Lupine has been closed until further notice. A survey was done and it was found that after our recent storms there are more than 20 rock and mudslides blocking the road making it far too dangerous to keep it open, even to 4 X 4 and high clearance vehicles. Blue Ridge Road is open only to Guffy Campground.

October 5, 2015

It has nothing to do with how many Rangers are available to patrol the area. The road was closed "until further notice" under direct orders from the District Ranger because of the dangerous condition of the road. Offers and questions should be directed to the district office.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Crap.  OK, thanks, AW.  Sad

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