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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 2:38 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

Taco wrote:
I didn't see any upstream, but I saw a ton of small flexible posts saying DON'T HIKE HERE on em down where all the people are.


Thanks....I think that they have to post a trespass sign before someone enters. Some people dont enter from the bottom, so how is this fair notice?

And there is still the confusion of what is actually closed....is Eaton Falls closed or not? If its open, then how can someone be cited for rappelling it?The top of the falls is part of Eaton Falls by any reasonable definition. From the picture circulated ,the top of the falls is in an open area.

I mean, who violates closure orders? Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprd3811118.pdf

Lower Eaton Falls is off-limits.

"then continues north and westerly along the eastern edge of the user-created Lower Eaton Canyon Falls Trail to its intersection with
Lower Eaton Canyon Falls , then continues northwesterly and then southeasterly along the pool at the base of Lower Eaton Canyon Falls to its intersection with the western edge of the user-created Lower Eaton Canyon Falls Trail"
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I understand that closing one canyon is a slippery slope, but is this one canyon really such a great loss to canyoneers? Aren't there loads of other options?

I mean there's only one Eaton situation. People do dumb things everywhere, but this particular place is a particular problem.

Although I do think maybe they could close entry from the bottom without barring entry from the top. That's a little difficult to police, but I think most people going up from the bottom wouldn't be able to come up a convincing story of where they started from and what route they took if they got caught. And it's not unprecedented. When I did The Narrows in Zion, you're only allowed to walk up from the bottom so far, then you are supposed to turn around. But you can do the whole thing and start from the top if you have a permit. Oh. Permits? How about canyoneering permits? That wouldn't be a terrible solution.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 11:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BySxj8WC1B8

Here's a link to a little more footage of the girl falling and rescue...

Boy oh boy - I hadn't seen this video before but it shows you how much further she would have kept going had she NOT totally lucked out and got snagged onto that skimpy tree !!!

Unless she had a ton more luck on her side, the rest of the fall woulda done a lot more damage to her, if not killed her.

You're probably right Taco --- signs and threats of fines probably won't stop those that really want to go up the Razorback way...

Playing armchair dare devil, maybe there will even be an up tick of scramblers that will think the cover of darkness might be a good time to avoid getting caught - hey, darkness may even increase the thrill factor...

I've always marveled at those trees that managed to grow out of seemingly 'nothing' on a San Gabriel Mountains cliffside--- now I'm sure there is at least more person that sees those trees as more than a wonder and more like a 'limb' and life saver...
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of the big problems with Eaton Canyon is that it is so close to the city, easy to drive up to it, and easy to get to the Razorback. There aren't dozens of rescues in any other single location in the forest AFAIK.  Hard places to get  like San Antonio Ridge don't attract the inexperienced thrill seekers. Easy access and social media make this one place more dangerous than others.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 11:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks outwhere for the link to the full video. The girl fell from the north side of the Razorback. Apparently this happened late in the day, so my guess is they were on the way back and coming back down. I don't know why they were so far below the ridge. Either one of them fell earlier and ended up on the side of the cliff or they forgot the route back down and exited the ridge too soon, thinking (incorrectly) this was the way down.

In my pictures below, the girl was at the yellow arrow location and the guy was at the green arrow. The main gully in the middle is where people end up when they fall from the crux on the route. The other place they fall is from the south side of the ridge, usually because they mistakenly exit the ridge that way. There is another place they fall, but they'll end up in an area above the falls.



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 11:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tim
Now it makes sense. I thought they were coming down almost where the water falls.
Are you old enough to have gone up the stairs? I did razor back once at 13, and the stairs twice a little older. I don't know how I made it this old. Thank god large sodas in New York and school brownies are against the law in schools now. Now THAT is dangerous!!!!
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tim,

Thanks for nailing it shut.
Now we have to wonder again if drugs played a role. Theres simply no way he or she logically thought this was feasible....being that from their viewpoint it was obvious to anyone they were on a path of death.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting photo....imagine Razorback trail like this.

Bridge to Nowhere Hike by simonov, on Flickr
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AW wrote:
Interesting photo....imagine Razorback trail like this.


That's at the Bridge to Nowhere.  It's just above the northern end of the bridge.  There is a corresponding structure way down in the canyon just above the water, with an eyebolt in the rock wall.



My theory is the Bungee America people are going to put in a zipline.  Bad news is that might force them to close off some of the pools that will be under the zipline.  Good news is they will be obliged to improve the trail beyond the bridge so zipline customers can safely climb back up.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

FWIW there are some fixed pitons near where the girl fell. I climbed around there a long time ago. Not real sure what was going through her head looking down cause there ain't a lotta easy ground that way.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AW wrote:
Tim,

Thanks for nailing it shut.
Now we have to wonder again if drugs played a role. Theres simply no way he or she logically thought this was feasible....being that from their viewpoint it was obvious to anyone they were on a path of death.


Yes,,,, thanks Tim for sorting that out...

Aside from waking up and finding myself trapped at a Phish concert, finding myself in the lovely spot these two PUT themselves is right up there on the Razorback,  well they were almost on top of the Razorback...
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2014 10:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

People have often gotten confused by the small drainages that drop off the ridge on both sides.  Dropping over the side early leads into this particular area.

In my experience, people tend to be very narrow in their focus when they are in these kinds of areas.  They aren't seeing the bigger view because they are focused on the 2 foot area around their hands and feet. I'm sure most of you have noticed that things often look very different when retracing a route.

Once someone commits to a course of action they often keep pressing forward in spite of conditions.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2016 6:14 pm    Post subject: Eaton Canyon Trails Reply with quote

Im usually just lurking in the shadows around here but being an avid canyoneerer i thought other folks would appreciate the fs is allowing canyon travel again provided you follow thier requests... Not the best but at least its accessible to the right folks again....
http://www.fs.usda.gov/wps/portal/fsinternet/!ut/p/c5/04_SB8K8xLLM9MSSzPy8xBz9CP0os3gjAwhwtDDw9_AI8zPwhQoY6IeDdGCqCPOBqwDLG-AAjgb6fh75uan6BdnZaY6OiooA1tkqlQ!!/dl3/d3/L2dJQSEvUUt3QS9ZQnZ3LzZfMjAwMDAwMDBBODBPSEhWTjBNMDAwMDAwMDA!/?ss=110501&navid=091000000000000&pnavid=null&cid=null&ttype=main&pname=Angeles%20National%20Forest%20-%20Home/conditions/conditions-road.shtml

Check out the current closures and map section on main page!
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2016 6:01 pm    Post subject: Eaton Canyon "Bridle trail" closed Reply with quote

Maybe this is common knowledge, but I missed the memo.  There are signs at both ends indicating the bridle trail ("Walnut Canyon?") is closed due to rain damage.  We saw 2 people in orange vests up on it, so perhaps some trail work is going on.
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