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Which topo map is Clearer?

 
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 6:02 am    Post subject: Which topo map is Clearer?  Reply with quote

I'm trying to upgrade the topo maps I put in my recent San Gorgonio Trails post.

Which topo map is clearer?

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 6:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I prefer the new one because I like the labels and lines to pop out more than the shading.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suppose the one without the vegetation & shading is a bit more "better" but it is probably subjective.

I for one would use some other characters besides the "X" for locations
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The "NEW" one is clearer
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Neither. Where's the bar? Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HikeUp wrote:
Neither. Where's the bar? Very Happy
Laughing  That'll definitely make things clearer.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mattmaxon wrote:
I for one would use some other characters besides the "X" for locations
Such as?  But be aware that all I've got is my keyboard with MS Paint.  The nice thing about an "X" is that the center is fairly clear as to it's position.

It's definitely hard to tell the difference between a black "X" for a camp and a blue "X" for water.  I've thought about "W" for water...

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 6:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can use different Character maps in MS Paint

In this example I used the "Parksymbol" font Capital A




http://www.fontspace.com/minnesot...-resources/dnr-recreation-symbols

http://www.nps.gov/hfc/carto/map-symbols.cfm
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 7:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You could also use Caltopo and embed the map  like I did here Cool

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That CalTop embed is pretty nice.  I'd argue though that your map trace is incorrect near the wilderness boundary. Smile  The S Fork Trail goes through the saddle not up and over the shoulder of the mountain.    I believe the topo map is simply wrong here.

The Park Symbols are nice, but they're a bit large and tend to obscure the topo map -- but they did give me some ideas.  Here's what I've come up with using wingdings symbols.  I think I like it, and it's a definite improvement over "X's":


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah it is an improvement

I was just making an example. I did up date it with track data...
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 10:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I did up date it with track data...
So your GPS data tracks with what the topo map says?  Wow.  

I mean, the trail is shown going up at least three contour lines (at least 120 feet) up and over a shoulder and then back down to meet the trail coming in from Poopout Hill.  I've done that trail more times than I can remember.  My experience is that the trail contours easterly, goes through the small saddle shown on the map, and then drops very slightly down to meet the trail coming in from Poopout Hill.  The trail is very clearly going through a saddle.

Tom Harrison on his map shows both.  Laughing   (the very fact that he shows the route I'm describing is pretty good evidence that it is the route that actually exists).

Next time you're up that way, carefully examine the landscape.  I'm pretty sure there's no trail up and over the shoulder.  The trail goes through the saddle.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hikin_Jim wrote:
mattmaxon wrote:
I did up date it with track data...
So your GPS data tracks with what the topo map says?  Wow.  


NO No no...

The red line is my track. The yellow was the estimated track as shown on the map

I'd be willing to bet "Once upon a time" it was there... Like in 1900 or so
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mattmaxon wrote:
NO No no...
Laughing  You're sure, now?

mattmaxon wrote:
The red line is my track. The yellow was the estimated track as shown on the map.
OK, so we're in agreement.

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I'd be willing to bet "Once upon a time" it was there... Like in 1900 or so
Maybe, but I wouldn't be surprised if it weren't just an error.

One of these days I really need to get a good GPS.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's my track from a recent trip to Dollar Lake.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice track, Sean.  Shows your route going right through the saddle.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I prefer the new style for planning trips. I can better see what kind of drop I'm coming up to, or how big a wall or something is just by glancing at it. Also, if the vegetation shown on the map is very accurate, it really helps when you're doing something new and want to find a less-brushy section of hell. Smile

But the old one is good for basic navigation at it's purest. I would use this for certain kinds of outings.

Or something. Cool
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 8:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Taco wrote:
Or something. Cool
Well, I'm glad we cleared that up.  Laughing

I'm continuing to update my San Gorgonio Wilderness Trails post.  I now have just updated the Momyer - Vivian loop map.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mattmaxon wrote:
You can use different Character maps in MS Paint

http://www.fontspace.com/minnesot...-resources/dnr-recreation-symbols
http://www.nps.gov/hfc/carto/map-symbols.cfm
Matt,

I downloaded those ttf's and got them working (they didn't seem to work until I put them in the "Microsoft Shared" folder for some reason although that shouldn't be necessary).  

Some of those are really nice and will be useful for future maps (I probably won't go back and re-do everything immediately since it's a lot of work).  Thanks very much for the tip.

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