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PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 6:07 pm    Post subject: Blue Ridge Road (3N06)  Reply with quote

Does any one know if the road to Guffy Camp is going to close soon.  I want to climb Pine and Dawson soon, maybe next week.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Does any one know if the road to Guffy Camp is going to close soon.  I want to climb Pine and Dawson soon, maybe next week.


I'm going on a hike from Lupine camp to upper fish fork tommorrow, I'll drive by Big Pines and ask when they plan on closing the road and let you know.
It was open two weeks ago for sure.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That would be rad.  Thanks a bunch.  I know they close the road getting close to winter, if it closes, I'll just hike Acorn Trail then go up from there.  

Thanks again.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Blue Ridge Road to Guffy closes in early Novemeber to early May every year unless there is a heavy snow fall sooner.
The road will be open next weekend.
It had better be, we will up there as well.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 5:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds good,  thx for the research.  Maybe I'll run into you there.  I'll be the guy gasping for air on the north ridge of pine.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did the hike from Lupine to Fishfork and the road was open.  I checked at Big Pines visitor center which was closed.(weekends only I guess Rolling Eyes )
Anyway I'm sure Richard is correct about closure in November, but keep in mind deer season opener is Sunday (keep ur head down) Shocked
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bill wrote:
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Does any one know if the road to Guffy Camp is going to close soon.  I want to climb Pine and Dawson soon, maybe next week.


I'm going on a hike from Lupine camp to upper fish fork tommorrow, I'll drive by Big Pines and ask when they plan on closing the road and let you know.
It was open two weeks ago for sure.
Hey, Bill, if you get a chance, can you post any observations you may gather regarding the lower part of Fish Fork (still above the falls, but lower than the first camp I mean) as well as if the trail from the Fish Fork area to Dawson peak is still followable.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Jim,
I only got to the second spring along the trail today, as I did'nt have time to go further.  Did not get to either camp. Embarassed The trail up to Dawson looked passable visually.  I plan on going back again next Tuesday, and make a day of it, so I'll be able to give a better report.  I have been itching to get in there since you mentioned it a few weeks ago.  
 What I would really like to do is hike up Eastfork and up Fishfork to Dawson some time. (If there is a way to get up that canyon)
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hey Jim,
I only got to the second spring along the trail today, as I did'nt have time to go further.  Did not get to either camp. Embarassed The trail up to Dawson looked passable visually.  I plan on going back again next Tuesday, and make a day of it, so I'll be able to give a better report.  I have been itching to get in there since you mentioned it a few weeks ago.  
 What I would really like to do is hike up Eastfork and up Fishfork to Dawson some time. (If there is a way to get up that canyon)
Dunno if you can go all the way up from the San Gab River via Fish Fork to Dawson.  There are those falls to contend with.  It got pretty narrow at the falls.  I didn't see any easy way to bypass them, although if you're a canyoneer with good rock climbing skills, maybe there's a way.

I'd go in from Lupine first and see how far down canyon you can get before trying up canyon.  I'd particularly want to take a look at those falls.

I think the falls are about where "B" is on the below linked map.  Point "C" also looks rough.  There's another set of falls at point "D."  I've never been to those falls.
http://mapper.acme.com/?ll=34.304...20of%20Mount%20San%20Antonio%20CA
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jim,
Are these the falls indicated by the "D" on the Acme mapper program?



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bill:

I don't think those are the same falls.  The falls in your photos appear to be very close to the San Gab. River.  The falls at point "D" on the map are significantly further upstream.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 11:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hikin_Jim wrote:
Bill:

I don't think those are the same falls.  The falls in your photos appear to be very close to the San Gab. River.  The falls at point "D" on the map are significantly further upstream.

HJ


Thanks Jim, that clears that up.  I just signed up on that Wrightwood forum as well, although I do have a few regulars I hike with.  Sometimes motivation is a problem Rolling Eyes (sometimes its me) Embarassed
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will be hiking from Lupine to Fish Falls Camp tomorrow. The trail is overgrown but can be found with a bit of looking. The old sign is lying on the ground. From Fish Falls up to Dawson is more like following an old animal trail and its very steep. You better be sure you have a lot of time if you do a loop from Lupine down and back up to Dawson. I've gone down Pine Ridge and there is a lot of buckthorn to contend with. You then hook up with the old trail/ old fire road heading south to the camp.
We will be searching for a few of the old mines as well.
I'll post a report next week on what we find.
We may even go to the Stanley Miller Mines. I havn't been there in 30 years. The old trail is there in places but its high on the east bench of the canyon.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 11:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Richard N. wrote:
I will be hiking from Lupine to Fish Falls Camp tomorrow. The trail is overgrown but can be found with a bit of looking. The old sign is lying on the ground. From Fish Falls up to Dawson is more like following an old animal trail and its very steep. You better be sure you have a lot of time if you do a loop from Lupine down and back up to Dawson. I've gone down Pine Ridge and there is a lot of buckthorn to contend with. You then hook up with the old trail/ old fire road heading south to the camp.
We will be searching for a few of the old mines as well.
I'll post a report next week on what we find.
We may even go to the Stanley Miller Mines. I havn't been there in 30 years. The old trail is there in places but its high on the east bench of the canyon.

Looking forward to it Cool
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Richard N. wrote:
I will be hiking from Lupine to Fish Falls Camp tomorrow. The trail is overgrown but can be found with a bit of looking. The old sign is lying on the ground. From Fish Falls up to Dawson is more like following an old animal trail and its very steep. You better be sure you have a lot of time if you do a loop from Lupine down and back up to Dawson. I've gone down Pine Ridge and there is a lot of buckthorn to contend with. You then hook up with the old trail/ old fire road heading south to the camp.
We will be searching for a few of the old mines as well.
I'll post a report next week on what we find.
We may even go to the Stanley Miller Mines. I havn't been there in 30 years. The old trail is there in places but its high on the east bench of the canyon.
I've been to the Stanley-Miller exactly once (1986?  '87?).  The person I went with won't hike with me any more.  Laughing  It's an interesting and well preserved (by virtue of how hard it is to get to and find) place.  Good luck and we look forward to a TR.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 9:30 pm    Post subject: Guffy Reply with quote

Anyone know if the road is still open?
Thanks in advance! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 11:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I read today on the Wrightwood forum that it is still open.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 6:35 pm    Post subject: Bump Reply with quote

The Park service rep I got at Baldy never heard of Guffy!
Aaaarrrghhh.

And we pay for this incompetence....

Jimbo, is the road to the trailhead still open to your knowledge?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure.  I'll ask around.

You might want to contact the Grassy Hollow Visitor's Center.  I think Guffy may be out of Baldy's district which might explain why the person hadn't heard of it.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 11:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I asked around.  The gate at Angeles Crest Hwy is open.  As I recall, there's another gate further down the road.  I think the second gate is past Guffy, but I could be wrong there.  You still might want to check with the visitor's center (see link in prior post).  They could close the gate at any time since it is November although since there are no storms forecast, they may keep it open a bit longer.  If we get some good snow, they will close the gate.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Many thanks, Jim.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blue Ridge Road is currently closed.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Muchos Gracias, Jim.

Looks like I squandered another opportunity....
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 9:38 pm    Post subject: Blue Ridge Road (3N06) Reply with quote

We know the road is open to the drop to Prairie Fork, but is it open past there to just under Wright Mtn? The folks that are going to the Sierras in August want to do a conditioning hike up the northern Devils' Backbone: up Pine Mtn., Dawson Peak, to Baldy.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 4:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wuz out there on 6/26/09

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The road is open all the way to the North Devils back bone trail-head where it intersects the PCT at Wright Mountain.  The road is pretty decent, however, there is a small grade just before the turn out where you park, that requires you get a running start to make it or you lose traction.  A small dip about mid-way up the grade makes it a little tricky.  At least that was my experience in my pick-up (light rear-end probably a contributing factor)  Higher clearance vehicle would be preferable, but you can probably make it in a sedan if your careful.  Actually frontwheel drives do pretty good.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the first-person info, guys: much appreciated!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 3:33 pm    Post subject: How far can a Civic get up Blue Ridge? Reply with quote

safely?

I have a hike in mind but perhaps do not want to make it too hard starting from Acorn Rd, but don't want to deal with Blue Ridge if it's a major pain.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 3:34 pm    Post subject: Re: How far can a Civic get up Blue Ridge? Reply with quote

Zé wrote:
safely?

I have a hike in mind but perhaps do not want to make it too hard starting from Acorn Rd, but don't want to deal with Blue Ridge if it's a major pain.


No worries

Carefully driven the last mile or so in a few spots is fine
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My Honda Accord did just fine with 3 guys + equipment.  Just keep your eyes open and take it slow where needed.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

what is the final point, can I get close to the base of Wright Mt?

how long from the 2 does this part take, approximately?

thanks guys

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A few years ago (timely info eh?), my accord made it no problem all the way to the start of the North Backbone Trail at the base of Wright. As Matt says, careful on the last mile or so. Don't remember how long it took but it's pretty insignificant compared to the total time it took from Pasadena (best guess is 20-30 mins max I would think).

Might want to check with locals to see if the gate at the ACH is open. Who knows what they locked during the fire closure.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks. 20 min isn't bad

well hopefully the gate will be open. if they say Baden Powell area is open, they should expect a lot of people to try to get to Vincent Gap
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are 2 gates (at least) on the Blue Ridge road. One at the ACH and one at Guffy Campground. Both are usually open at this time of year. Hope is great! Have an alternate plan Very Happy
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I hate this.

a jeep needs to replace some thing else on 10 essentials! Idea
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Cal-Trans gate is still locked on Hwy 2 at Big Pines tonight. Hopefully,  Cal-Tran's/CHP/ANF will get things together tomorrow, and get it open to at least Vincent Gap. We'll get more info tomorrow, I suspect.

Once that gate is open, Blue Ridge Rd will be open all the way back down to Lupine until the snow flies/Mt. high makes snow.  And yes, as stated here, you can do it in a Civic. Just take it slow the 1st 2 miles on the broken pavement, and a few points in between after that. No big deal.
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edenooch wrote:
I hate this.

a jeep needs to replace some thing else on 10 essentials! Idea


The ten suggestions, you mean. Cool
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Zé wrote:
what is the final point, can I get close to the base of Wright Mt?

how long from the 2 does this part take, approximately?

thanks guys

another reason this forum is awesome
You can get to the west approach (via the PCT), the North Backbone Trailhead, or the east approach (via the PCT) using the road.  Wright Mountain is super anti-climactic.  There's no distinct summit.

A descent down Fish Creek to the East Fork, now that would be interesting.  If anyone in your party lived that is.  Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 5:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"How far can a Civic get up Blue Ridge?"

It reminds me of "How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?"

According to some cogent academic research about 700 lbs!  Laughing

"How far can a Civic get up Blue Ridge if a Civic can go up Blue Ridge?"

Yeah I'm nuts....
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 3:43 pm    Post subject: Blue Ridge Rd. Reply with quote

Hello,  does anyone know if or when Blue Ridge is open?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's open. I was there this past Saturday.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 12:39 pm    Post subject: blue ridge road/pine mountain/dawson saddle? Reply with quote

Hey everyone-
  First time poster, but long time reader Smile
  I was wondering how accessible Blue Ridge Road is?   I have a Honda Civic and shudder sometimes when I see the phrase "dirt road."   My goal is to summit Pine Mtn and Dawson Peak.   I thought it'd be cool to try it from the north (versus summiting Baldy and then heading over to Pine and Dawson).   Any ideas/suggestions/input?
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Matt,

I've got a stock '97 Toyota Camry, and it handles the road just fine. Probably 5" clearance under the worky-bits. Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks taco!   do you know how well marked those trails are up there?  or anyone else?

i appreciate the response.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's rather easy to follow. There's a split a bit further along...

http://www.summitpost.org/image/660283/660137/guffy-trail-sign.html

...that would take you to Lupine if you went right, or Wright if you went left.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blue Ridge Road is easy to follow. Map. Turn off ACH at Point D.

At Guffy Campground the road splits (point C) - stay right (going left and up the hill will get you to the campground). Shortly after Guffy the road splits again (point B) - stay left (going right and down hill will get you to Lupine Campground). Continue on to the parking area (point A) for the trail to Pine/Dawson (a wide area at a bend in the road) big enough for a few cars.

The stretch of road between Guffy and the parking area will be the roughest, but at worst you'll have to get out of the car and toss a rock off to the side. If for some reason you can't make it all the way to the parking area, then park at Guffy (but not in a camp spot) and hoof it the rest of the way to the parking area (either along the road or on the signed PCT trail).

Once at the parking area for the trail to Pine/Dawson look for a trail that steeply drops down the ridge to  the south that leads to Pine. It's easy to spot this trail and even easier to stay on it - just stay on the ridge.

There may be a trail sign at the saddle between Pine and Dawson, but it is for a trail that heads down to Fish Fork. No other trail signs that I recall seeing. Bring a map.

Pics from my last trip to this area.

Oh, and at this time of year you will more than likely see and/or hear hunters. Wear your antlers.  Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks, hikeup.  those pics are a big help too.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HikeUp wrote:
Wear your antlers.  Wink
Brown.  Light brown.  Wear light brown with your antlers.  Wink

I've not had problems getting back in there with standard passenger cars.  Just take it easy on the gas and keep your eyes open.

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