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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:57 pm    Post subject: SR 39 from the bottom  Reply with quote

Anyone know how far the highway is REALLY open from down in Azusa? The Cal Trans site is (I think) useless as it says the road is closed from 6.5 miles south of Coldbrook, but I've read on here that its actually opened farther.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, they're smoking crack. It's open to about 1/2 mile south of Coldbrook. The trailhead for Smith Mountain/Upper Bear Creek is at the gate.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hwy 39 is open to point "A" shown on this map.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leave it to Hikin "Acme-fu" Jim. Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hikin_Jim wrote:
Hwy 39 is open to point "A" shown on this map.

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You guys are so frickin' awesome.

Looks like they've opened up several miles that have been closed for a long time.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How would you guys rate the Smith Mtn. trailhead parking area as far as safety is concerned (break-ins, theft, etc.)as  compared to the West Fork or Heaton Flat? Say on a Sunday morning between 6 and 10'ish in the morning.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've only been up to that trailhead once since they've re-opened it.  Everything was nice and tidy on July 3, but there were some guys drinking in one of the pull outs near by.  Hard to say.  It's so close to the party crowd at W. Fork that inevitably it'll spill over, although it seemed better than W. Fork when I went there.  

The USFS needs to assign two LE rangers full time to the W Fork.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I go up there to climb at the crag right above the lot. I haven't seen any broken glass or signs of break-inns. I'm always within throwing distance of my car, though. I'd say it's OK.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the opinions dudes.
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Location: Stuntin in the trap son

PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 12:44 am    Post subject: R39 open to Crystal Lake? Reply with quote

I heard this through the grapevine. Can anyone confirm? I may head up there tomorrow with my buddy.
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- was posted mar 22 '11 -sayz opened 0630 yesterday,  even has lil ph# there if u wanna b sure  Very Happy  

http://www.crystallake.name/road.htm
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Woo hoo!!

One caveat:
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Because Lake Road may not be getting plowed and because there is around 15 inches of snow in some areas (and more expected) it is not known whether there is any access to the campgrounds.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh why don't I have a RWD car anymore? Sounds like primo drifting conditions. Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 2:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Schnee!


The end of R39 is now just a little past Crystal Lake.




Snackbar and caretaker's villa


CL Crag




The Lake. It's pretty damn full!


I rode down from the CL area on my bike in the "storm" while my buddy followed in his truck.
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Location: Yosemite!!! HA!

PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 5:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cool pics Very Happy  
I wonder if were going to get anymore spring snow storms...
Ima go up to the snow this weekend hopefully (ive only got 13 days left to go to snow Sad  )
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

everyday wrote:
cool pics Very Happy  
I wonder if were going to get anymore spring snow storms...
Ima go up to the snow this weekend hopefully (ive only got 13 days left to go to snow Sad  )
13?

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Taco wrote:

I rode down from the CL area on my bike in the "storm" while my buddy followed in his truck.
Crazy!

Pretty cool pics of a place that it's been a long time since I've seen.

Did you guys have to chain up?

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Location: Yosemite!!! HA!

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Hikin_Jim wrote:
everyday wrote:
cool pics Very Happy  
I wonder if were going to get anymore spring snow storms...
Ima go up to the snow this weekend hopefully (ive only got 13 days left to go to snow Sad  )
13?

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-Jim-Ya. Im having my jaw fixed on April 6th.  4+ hours of surgery,
so ima b recovering anywhere from 2-4 weeks. So im guessin the snow mite b pretty gone by then.
(if u hav more ???, PM me. i dont wanna hijack his thread too much)

-Taco-Hey-how far was your bike ride through the snow?  Dint yer
face feel frozen from the wind/snow Shocked  do bikes
have snow-tires?

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

everyday wrote:
Hikin_Jim wrote:
everyday wrote:
cool pics Very Happy  
I wonder if were going to get anymore spring snow storms...
Ima go up to the snow this weekend hopefully (ive only got 13 days left to go to snow Sad  )
13?

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-Jim-Ya. Im having my jaw fixed on April 6th.  4+ hours of surgery,
so ima b recovering anywhere from 2-4 weeks. So im guessin the snow mite b pretty gone by then.

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Sorry about your jaw. Sad   Hope you heal quickly
If you want i could sell my snow shovel at the yard sale.  That should extend the snow season a bit. Cool
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

shweet. Get up there before the crowds get to it.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We didn't need chains, nothing special was required on the bike, and it was fun downhill. 25 miles of downhill, I think?

AW is about 982734967326% right with his comment. I'm very VERY happy that this place is open again, as there's a lot to do in the area and it's literally up my street, but there will likely be a lot of trash, graffiti, and craaaaaaaaaaaap everywhere by the end of the summer. C'est la vie, though.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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We didn't need chains, nothing special was required on the bike, and it was fun downhill. 25 miles of downhill, I think?


Who needs chains? Easy to carry em with you Idea


Taco, did you happen to look Iron's way and see what the coverage was over there?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lotsa coverage pretty much everywhere down to 6,000 or so.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great news!
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The end of R39 is now just a little past Crystal Lake.

How far of a walk/ride is it from the new closure location to Islip Saddle via the road? (and yes, I'm too lazy to get a map out and figure it out myself)
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hikeup, the gate that effectively marks the end of all vehicular northern traffic on R39 to the gate at Islip Saddle is 4.45 miles. The gate that's currently locked is 1.45 miles south of that. I'm not sure why it's not open to the furthest gate, as that section of road is in good condition.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks!
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HikeUp wrote:
Taco wrote:
The end of R39 is now just a little past Crystal Lake.

How far of a walk/ride is it from the new closure location to Islip Saddle via the road? (and yes, I'm too lazy to get a map out and figure it out myself)


http://bit.ly/ekDkuJ


About 4.5 miles - it's pretty awesome actually, if you zoom in close enough at the bottom you can tell the difference in road quality at the 1978 closure.
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Thanks for the map too!
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Walking directions are in beta.
Use caution – This route may be missing sidewalks or pedestrian paths.
or pavement.  Very Happy
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HikeUp wrote:
Thanks for the map too!


Y'know, just in case you got lost! Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes. Always be prepared. I'm gonna bring those little inflatable arm floaty thingies in case I fall into Crystal Lake.  Confused
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Excellent link!

The northernmost gate is a little east of point B on the map.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is great news! Damn Ryan the lake is so huge now hahaaa great pics! Cant wait to head back up in the summer to climb the misc crags
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 12:13 pm    Post subject: Caltrans abandoning Highway 39 repair Reply with quote

Caltrans is abandoning plans to reopen a 4.4-mile section of state Highway 39 in the Angeles National Forest between Crystal Lake and Wrightwood, citing rising costs, engineering challenges and a mandate to protect bighorn sheep.

Caltrans abandoning Highway 39 repair

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Location: Now I have a quote under my name, Taco.

PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I may be alone with this reaction, but this is GREAT!!!!!  They should never have bothered trying to reopen that road.  

Yay sheep!!
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I may be alone with this reaction, but this is GREAT!!!!!  They should never have bothered trying to reopen that road.  

Yay sheep!!


Then they should give up ownership of it....which they wont. Its going to continue being a money pit and opportunity to cite people for walking on it.
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They cite people for walking on it?

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

good. pretty much all the reasons for opening up that section are B.S anyways, and everyone knew it was going to be a big PITA to keep open.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hope this doesn't mean fewer urban burritos north of Crystal Lake!
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1. Gimme the keys to the gates.
2. How in the hell would that road ever stay open?
3. Y'all shoulda given up many years ago.
4. Tunnel under Windy Gap

Thank me later, CalTrans.
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Yup, excellent news!
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This makes me rethink my position that caltrans has no brain, maybe they went to emerald city and saw the wizard!
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 8:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Then they should give up ownership of it...
 The FS won't take it back unless CalTrans restores it to it's natural state.  

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 8:15 am    Post subject: Hwy 39 Reply with quote

This reminds me of the road through Wildrose Canyon in Death Valley. It was originally paved, but the asphalt is washed out now. I assume that it dawned on Caltrans that it was impossible to keep that stretch repaired.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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They cite people for walking on it?

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Sure. They were issuing tickets if people walked on Hwy39 past Upper Bear Creek trail....now the gate has moved north quite a bit is all.

I know they have to restore it to a natural state to give it to the Forest service, but thats what it should be then. Instead of continuing to spend even more maintaining a one lane emergency road.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I know they have to restore it to a natural state to give it to the Forest service, but thats what it should be then. Instead of continuing to spend even more maintaining a one lane emergency road.
 I think, if I understood things correctly, that it's actually cheaper to maintain the one-lane road than it is to restore it to its natural state.  Apparently restoration is quite expensive.

I'm not opposed to restoration; just stating what I've heard.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know, if you walk down hwy 39 you get the impression the mountains will restore it to its natural state in not too much time - the rock slides appear to be near constant.
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"I hope this doesn't mean fewer urban burritos north of Crystal Lake!"


Sorry, but it's this sort of comment that makes people living in communities like Azusa feel that they are being banned from their forest by people who don't like them for just looking different.


Ever been to the San Gabriel River?

I think what most people don't like are dirty diapers, broken beer bottles and MOUNTAINS of trash left by people who treat the forest as if it were their back yard (or front yard depending on the neighborhood).

I'll tell you what I'll do ARM; let's meet at the mouth of San Gabriel Canyon one Saturday or Sunday. We'll drive up the canyon and pull over at all of the popular areas. We'll park, get out, and walk around and you can tell me what YOU see. Perhaps you could even hold a few streamside chats on environmental education. You game?

I like people of all stripes and I enjoy the differences in culture, and that's what we have here, a difference in culture. There is a certain segment of the population whose culture condones tagging rocks and trees and leaving diapers and trash strewn about the forest because that is how they live in their own neighborhood. Sorry, but 25-years of familiarity with San Gabriel Canyon has only served to enforce certain stereotypes, not dissuade them.

So, when do you want to go?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, you missed my point, but you are right too.  I agree, there is a huge mess caused by people who don't care about their impacts on the mountain, but education is the only way to change it, not by calling them names and making them feel like they are inferior for their looks.

I've been hiking the canyon and all over the mountain since the mid 70's, and have noticed the changes you speak of over those 35 or so years.

The trash problem is caused by all sorts of people who visit the mountains - a lot of people are just not that aware about environmental issues, and don't see or care about what they are doing to the forest.

The problem has been getting worse now that schools don't teach environmental education anymore.  Ever been to a week of outdoor education camp in 6th grade?  That's what got me into pursuing an environmental career.  Schools just can't do those anymore and so the kids, and the mountains, suffer for it. Many of the inner city kids that live at the base of the ANF who are given opportunities to go on fieldtrips or have programs in school that deal with the environment do care.  They will have families of their own, and will want to go camping, hiking, etc. up on the mountain too. If they feel that the place belongs to them, and they care about it, the mountain will be the better for it.

The comment I referred to was just not very helpful for this effort.

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"Their only motive was a great ideal; this was what linked together mountaineers so widely dissimilar in background and so diverse in character."
Maurice Herzog, Annapurna