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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 4:56 pm    Post subject: Misc. News (Archive)  Reply with quote

06/03/2008 Mtn Lion Sighting Chantry Flats - Zion Trail
06/02/2008 Fractured Leg Search & Rescue Eaton Canyon at the 2nd Falls
06/01/2008 Large Bonfire  Cattle Cyn. at the first stream crossing
05/31/2008Posb. Siffened Gas Miscellaneous Little Jimmy Campground/Trailhead Area
05/31/2008 Vandalism  Islip Saddle parking lot

"REGION: Forest-plan appeal rejected"
http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2...2476145dfe8c38825745c007ce043.txt
...."A federal official Monday rejected an environmental group's challenge to new management plans for the Cleveland and three other Southern California national forests, saying the blueprints adequately protect wildlife, plants and water......
"The plans really favor commercial exploitation such as development of transmission lines and new reservoirs, grazing and other destructive activities," said David Hogan, conservation manager for the group in San Diego County. "The plans also emphasize harmful industrial recreation, like expanded off-road vehicle recreation, over protection of natural areas. All of this means there will be fewer places where endangered species can persist unmolested."
John Stewart of Lakeside, a resource consultant for California Association of Four Wheel Drive Clubs, said, "It's time to stop the litigation arguments and get on with implementing the management plans. If changes or issues arise, let's just deal with them then."
Stewart took exception to the environmental group's characterization of off-roading.
"We do not engage in an industrial activity," he said. "It's recreation. It is people out enjoying themselves. We're not out there creating new areas. Were trying to keep the roads that we have."

"New Bill Would Protect Wilderness and Wild & Scenic Rivers in the Eastern Sierra and San Gabriel Mountains"
http://www.wilderness.org/NewsRoom/Release/20080523.cfm
..."Residents of the Santa Clarita and Antelope Valleys expressed their delight that the bill also includes wild lands in northern Los Angeles County: some 40,000 acres in the Magic Mountain and Pleasant View Ridge areas and seven miles of Piru Creek. The Pleasant View Ridge area features 8,200-foot Mt. Williamson and other dramatic peaks, the headwaters of Little Rock Creek, and some of the most magnificent and remote ridge and canyon country in southern California"
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Do you have any more information on the 5 incidents that were noted by date?
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No info on those incidents...which are are from the incidents website( http://63.196.254.151/WildWeb/WCANFrecent.htm ) that I grabbed it off of, and I get the feeling its supposed to be a private website, but why not public? LA Fire dept lists stuff.. http://lafd.blogspot.com/ . I dont want to portray it as if thieves are waiting for cars to park or anything like that, as those are just a one time happenings. But I think it will get interesting as the year goes on, to get a more accurate picture of the SGs...so far its been rather tamer than I expected...

I normally would not list a S&R, but the Eaton cyn one helps to correct that the 2nd falls adventure is not all see it on Youtube and then go there and its that easy...and the mountain lion, of course I have to put that one on there even though they might have seen nothing.
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THanks for the link, AW.
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Big Horn mine transfers ownership

http://www.wildernesslandtrust.org/news/2007/big_horn_mine.html

"On September 21st, 2007 the Trust secured long-term financing for the entire parcel in anticipation of eventual transfer to Angeles National Forest"
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That wilderness land grab by the McKeon and the self appointed "Forest Police" makes me sick to my stomach.   Evil or Very Mad
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Thanks for all the info, AW.  I'm really glad to hear that the Pleasant View Ridge area is under consideration for protection.  Neat country.

I'm also glad to hear that the Big Horn Mine inholding may be eventually made part of the forest.
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Why would the Pleasant View area need to be designated as wilderness? It has zero roads, and no bike trails.   I see none of the area under threat of development.  

I guess it makes the "Tree Huggers" happy that there will never be a bike trail, or a road.  Rolling Eyes I sure hope the hippies in the movement don't try to remove all the historical military aircraft wreck sites located in that area. I know of three sites that will be within the proposed wilderness area.
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I don't personally know any hippies or ever seen anybody hugging a tree, but I would hug any hippies I met that help pass the new wilderness bill.
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"The Mountains are the means, the man is the end; the idea is to improve the man, not to reach the top of the mountain."

MAN I LIKE THAT Smile Every time I read that I like it more.
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FIGHT ON wrote:
"The Mountains are the means, the man is the end; the idea is to improve the man, not to reach the top of the mountain."

MAN I LIKE THAT Smile Every time I read that I like it more.


I found that quote in Aaron Ralston's "Between a Rock and a Hardplace" book.
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I don't personally know any hippies or ever seen anybody hugging a tree, but I would hug any hippies I met that help pass the new wilderness bill.


I normally don't get heated up about many issues, but this bill bothered me.  In the past 15 years many of my favorite areas have been closed for recreation by the Forest Service and environmental groups.

This biggest land grab for me was the shut down of the entire Littlerock Canyon because of a toad.  I didn't mind them erecting gates, it was the fact that they closed the area completely.

Prospecting for gold (even with small hand tools) has been banned in many national forests because of overzealous District Rangers.  

As for the wilderness designation, Buck Mckeon literally denied access to thousands of acres of good hunting areas.  The White Mountain Area wilderness designation now makes the hunting areas a 20 plus mile hike.
This sucks for those of us that spend lots of money yearly on hunting tags.



I'll get off my soapbox now.  
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Well....Aaron Ralston.....hehehe....climber  Laughing
Anyways, I have to admit Im on the same side as Kit here, as I cant understand the 'protection' side.  As I see it, with a certain logic there would never be a Baldy village, a MtWilson transmission, and those Edison lines in the BigT...I doubt there would even be a Big Tujunga canyon road....it just something I read and what gives a certain group so much say over what happens. Seems like a out of control rude world battling it out and the big picture is lost. We need more money, not an argument over the scenic value of Piru creek.

This one is going to cost millions in bureaucratic shuffling...its like we already have hundreds page documents on environmental impact of repairing culverts, do we really need another law just so we can be 'right'? Will law after law after law save us from ourselves? Or is this one just in the bag of certain groups to show 'how much' they have done for the environment? How about family safe forest? Well thats my rant...
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As for the wilderness designation, Buck Mckeon literally denied access to thousands of acres of good hunting areas.  The White Mountain Area wilderness designation now makes the hunting areas a 20 plus mile hike.
This sucks for those of us that spend lots of money yearly on hunting tags.


Who the heck is Buck McKeon?

Hunting, to my knowledge isn't typically illegal in a Wilderness area.  You can't use quad runners or 4x4's, but you can carry a rifle and use your tags.

I agree that sometimes the rangers go over board and just totally close areas instead of trying to do something reasonable.  Like entirely closing the historic lower Falls Creek Trail in the San Gorgonio Wilderness 'cause a private landowner didn't want to deal with a public right-of-way that had existed since 1892.  It feels a little cavalier, like we hikers are irrelevant peons, when they close off entire areas for totally bogus reasons (like the current frog closure on Rattlesnake Creek near Buckhorn because of one creek crossing in a frog habitat zone.

On the other hand, I like Wilderness areas.  Wilderness areas can't be opened up for off roaders, etc.  Means that it'll be real wilderness.  I agree that there should be some roads and amenities in a National Forest, but there should also be some areas that are set aside.  Thank God that the proposed ski resort wasn't built on the North Side of San Gorgonio, my absolute #1 favorite hiking area in S Calif.  On the other hand, Angeles Crest Hwy is sure nice to get around on, and I wouldn't mind if they re-opened Hwy 39. Without variety it isn't a horse race, yes?
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Mckeon is the guy the authored the wilderness bill. http://mckeon.house.gov/eastern_sierra_maps.aspx
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The White Mountain Area wilderness designation now makes the hunting areas a 20 plus mile hike.
This sucks for those of us that spend lots of money yearly on hunting tags.
 
This area, is a hunter allowed to use a horse or a bike to get there? If I was a hunter I would be excited that it was harder to get to areas. The easier it is to get there the more people there would be. To me the more horses and bikes and motorized transportation that is not allowed the more excited I would be.  If it's easy then anybody and everybody will be there. Look at Azusa Canyon. Imagine if there was no road going up there. I've never been up the east fork next to the river past Heaton Flats but everyone I have run into that has been there has said that area is awesome. Take those roads out and that whole area becomes like that. And if 20 miles is too far for a day hike then take a few days off and enjoy the trip. I say take all the roads out.
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The White Mountain Area wilderness designation now makes the hunting areas a 20 plus mile hike.
This sucks for those of us that spend lots of money yearly on hunting tags.
 
This area, is a hunter allowed to use a horse or a bike to get there? If I was a hunter I would be excited that it was harder to get to areas. The easier it is to get there the more people there would be. To me the more horses and bikes and motorized transportation that is not allowed the more excited I would be.  If it's easy then anybody and everybody will be there. Look at Azusa Canyon. Imagine if there was no road going up there. I've never been up the east fork next to the river past Heaton Flats but everyone I have run into that has been there has said that area is awesome. Take those roads out and that whole area becomes like that. And if 20 miles is too far for a day hike then take a few days off and enjoy the trip. I say take all the roads out.

Especially the one to FIGHT ON's house.   Laughing
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THAT'S NOT MIDDLE OF THE ROAD!!!!!!!
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As for the wilderness designation, Buck Mckeon literally denied access to thousands of acres of good hunting areas.  The White Mountain Area wilderness designation now makes the hunting areas a 20 plus mile hike.
This sucks for those of us that spend lots of money yearly on hunting tags.

Oh, OK, I get what you're driving at.  It's not that they've restricted hunting per se, but rather that they've made it extremely difficult to get to the hunting.  Yeah, 20 miles is prohibitive.  Most people would find 20 miles to be a tough hike, and you'd basically have to turn around and come back when you got to your destination.  Hunting requires time.  You'd have to have 2 to 4 days just to get into and out of the area for one day of hunting, which means you'd be doing a lot less hunting.

Horses are financially out of reach for most of us, and schelping enough gear in for an overnight hunt on a mtn. bike in steep, high altitude terrain ain't no picnic either.

I wonder if a corridor could be created?  They modified the SJ wilderness so that the tram could be built, and there are other examples where they've accomodated existing roads.
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Mtn Bikes are considered mechanical therefore they are banned in Wilderness areas.
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>Mtn Bikes are considered mechanical therefore they are banned in Wilderness areas

There also seems to be a limitation to what the Forest Service will do to intervene to provide access in those areas as well. More to the point, it seems limiting access would be in order, such as a permit process to gauge/limit impact. I would guess that PCT bridge would never be built and hikers would have a lot less options.

Take away roads and our own wilderness is a lot less accessible. Upstream of the bridge to nowhere with no bridge built would be very taxing for the average hiker. Without the WF road, there goes the SG wilderness access...of course to be consisent the Cogswell dam would have to be dismantled. The one area completely left alone, the SD forest, even if access were allowed, would be a big undertaking to go from top to bottom.

Its sort of cool the way it is now IMO. If there was no SheepMtnwilderness, then I think the area would be closed permantently for "trail" repairs....sort of unique how the forest service can say its wilderness, travel at your own risk....but if its upper Bear Creek trail out of wildnerness, then shut it down.

So if Pleasant View were to turn wilderness, then the next landslide is your problem....and thats fine w/ me. People on the northwest of the SGs dont have a lot of options as far as wilderness. But increase wilderness and you will decrease non-wilderness options. So when you have to go grab a permit 10 miles away to dayhike at Buckhorn or who knows how many miles for Piru , just lost the right to object...because this law directs the Forest Service to protect the area as wilderness...its a sweeping legal implication that never ends.

These areas are already protected by the supposed responsibility of those who jobs it is to protect the area. I say no more of this 'gotcha' by circumventing the forest service plan with sneaky legal bill, meanwhile some other area gets screwed. The people who are in the pockets of greedy self-interested people need to be fined&fired is what I say.

Where is the Sierra Club on front range access? What a joke. The judge should be removed, this is an easy victory for hikers who have a clear legal right to get to trails. Not to mention the Rubio canyon embarrassment.

Where is the Sierra Club on BigT development? Just take over Lukens already, nothing scenic there anywho...oh yeah, they are working on Piru creek.

Where is the Sierra Club on Asuza blight? Instead of just cursing the place and being politically correct but really blaming Latinos? Of course we all know what race those off-roaders are.

Where is the Sierra Club on highway safety? Hell-bent on limiting access to the environment...the less people that go to the forest, the less global warming. Dont you know this is bigger ? This is about the whole ^%$^$ world!
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Mtn Bikes are considered mechanical therefore they are banned in Wilderness areas.

Yes, that's true, although that regulation is often more honored in the breach than in the observance.  Unlike mechanical conveyances, bikes make little noise and and attract little attention.  In many areas the rangers look the other way on bikes but would be on you in a hot minute if you were riding a ATV.  Not in any way that I encourage you to circumvent the law, but then again the law as enforced not the law on the books is the real law.  Technically, no car may be in a crosswalk even if the person is on the opposite side of the street, but the cops won't ticket you unless you are much closer to the pedestrian.
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I would guess that PCT bridge would never be built and hikers would have a lot less options.
That's the attitude that the I was objecting to earlier.  Taking no reasonable steps to accomodate low impact access.

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Without the WF road, there goes the SG wilderness access...of course to be consisent the Cogswell dam would have to be dismantled.
That's what I ment by my "corridors" comment.  They do a lot of things when they want to to allow access.  Public pressure needs to get them to do that a bit more for us ordinary citizens not just bigger interests like the PS Tram or Cogswell.[/quote]

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So when you have to go grab a permit 10 miles away to dayhike at Buckhorn or who knows how many miles for Piru.
Again, back to my "attitude" comment.  Having to go to absured lengths to get a permit should be impermissible on the part of the FS.

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Where is the Sierra Club on front range access?
Pardon my ignorance, but what's the issue here?
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Where is the Sierra Club on front range access?
Pardon my ignorance, but what's the issue here?[/quote]

Sorry I didnt get to this earlier...see
http://asci.uvm.edu/equine/law/cases/use/altadena.htm
http://www.arroyoseco.org/newsfull.php?artic=842
http://cbs2.com/local/Stoney.Hill.Hiker.2.519713.html
http://www.topix.net/city/monrovi...e-orders-trail-reopened-to-public

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More misc news...first one(lengthy) pertains mightily to the whole adventure pass discussion....

"Clevland Forest marks 100 years "
http://www.signonsandiego.com/new...ro/20080629-9999-1n29forests.html

"Besides climbers and wildlife advocates, the Forest Service must juggle demands from telecommunications companies, hunters and campers, utilities, off-road-vehicle enthusiasts, hikers, horse riders, neighbors and others. The forest offers attractions in every season, including winter snows that draw carloads of visitors to its mountains.

“We are getting pressure from all sides,” said Cleveland National Forest Supervisor Will Metz. “It's so divisive and it's so emotional.”

"Interest groups that deal with the forest's managers agree about the lack of staffing and money for forest operations, but they disagree about how forest managers are handling the shortcomings.
Some environmentalists are considering a lawsuit to challenge recent land management plans for Southern California's four national forests.

The Forest Service “provides an increasingly rare wild refuge for imperiled plants and animals in a growing sea of urban development. Yet (it) ignores these values and treats most of this land as if it were worthy only of development for urban infrastructure, noxious motor recreation and other exploitation,” said David Hogan, conservation manager in San Diego for the Center for Biological Diversity, a nonprofit environmental group.

Some outdoors enthusiasts see the opposite problem.

“At every opportunity that I am aware of . . . it seems like it's moving toward less access instead of more,” said Jack Bransford, president of the San Diego County Wildlife Federation, which represents several hunting, fishing and outdoor recreation groups.

He said the Forest Service suffers from hiring too many academics who don't know the land and have little interest in rods and guns. "

"Hype was only fool's gold"
http://www.pasadenastarnews.com/ci_9737527

""Mt. Lowe is richer in ore deposits than either the famous Treadwell mine of Alaska, the yields of which have enthused the world; the Homestake mine of North Dakota, which has paid $100,000,000; or the once famous Comstock mine in Nevada when, in its palmy days, it paid millions to its stockholders"  Cool

"Dawn Mine in the upper reaches of Millard Canyon tunneled into the mountain and produced some gold in the years when the price of gold made it profitable.

For a while, there was a Dawn Station on the Mt. Lowe railway, where ore hauled up to the railway from the mine on burros could be loaded and taken to town for refining.

Dawn Mine is now abandoned and the tunnels sealed.

Robinson concludes, "No one has ever succeeded in making a fortune by mining the south front of the San Gabriels, although many indeed have tried.""
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I don't personally know any hippies or ever seen anybody hugging a tree, but I would hug any hippies I met that help pass the new wilderness bill.


My wife and I were hiking in Hawaii, on Maui and saw a woman, no sh!t giving a tree a HUGE hug.  She hugged that thing for at least 10minutes solid.  Gotta love that!  We laughed about it for quite some time.
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AW wrote:
Where is the Sierra Club on front range access?
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Pardon my ignorance, but what's the issue here?

Sorry I didnt get to this earlier...see
http://asci.uvm.edu/equine/law/cases/use/altadena.htm
http://www.arroyoseco.org/newsfull.php?artic=842
http://cbs2.com/local/Stoney.Hill.Hiker.2.519713.html
http://www.topix.net/city/monrovi...e-orders-trail-reopened-to-public

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In other words, the SC didn't jump in on any of these?  Weird.  I would think that they would.

I wish someone would file a suit like that with the Falls Creek Trail in the SG Wilderness...  Some day maybe.  Very Happy
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One that I am curious of is 4 star Matilija creek in Ventura county. Supposedly this one is closed now....from localhikes...

"On the way back we were met by the supposed land owner who informed us we were trespassing on his property. He was there to inform all who passed to take heed. This is the property with the nice rock wall and orchard. He says there is no easement and never has been. He owns 6 parcels in this area. The only legal hikes are those up the north fork Matilija Creek and the one up to the Murietta divide. He showed us a topo map and indicated there was absolutely no legal way you could hike up the canyon past his property"

Sounds like something will have to give here. I havent been to Matilija yet but am pretty sure he has no right to the creek itself? Should be interesting because the path has been hiked for decades now.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since the last incident update not much in the way of news....

Grafitti responses at areas from the South Fork campground to Switzers
No car break-ins....could this be true?
Lion sighting at Clear Creek outdoor education center(Angeles Forest Hwy/Big Tujunga) on 7/2/08

The focus(besides accidents) are parking citations & BBQs. By a loose recollection, over 50 citations were handed out for BBQs. 16@ WF SG River on 7/4/08 alone. I dont even remember any grills there....no signs either(could be there though). Of course last thing the forest needs is even an accidental fire considering resources are spread really thin.

The only parking citation I thought was of interest was Chantry Flats. Apparently, someone had parked in a no parking(& towaway) zone and had their car towed. Not sure how that happened, but parking can be scarce after early hours...but yeah, if it says no parking, they will get to you.

Also, there were some cases of injury(head) at creeks..also a response to possible drowning at Stonevale picnic area(Big Tujunga).
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 3:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I noticed the surge in BBQ citations. Laughing I figured it would be EF not WF though, with those folks who, uh, "camp", before EF Road hits Glendora MR.
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Hidden canyon revealed
http://www.dailybulletin.com/ci_9811695?source=most_emailed

"Almost a century ago, Charles Frankish, one of Ontario's key developers, published a book of photos that included a picture of a dirt road into that canyon. The caption of the photo urged visitors not to miss visiting the special place that was Stoddard Canyon.....Cabins were also available for a longer stay. It was once known as the "Niagara Falls of California," because so many newlyweds would stay there and hike up the canyon to the falls. "

"One night just after Christmas 1953, a Santa Ana wind-fed wildfire reduced the lush canyon and its buildings to a few stone fireplaces and ashes...A number of fires, the most recent being the Grand Prix fire of October 2003, have charred the canyon.

Drug users and graffiti artists obviously also have spent time in the canyon"

Mountain rescuers believe in service
http://www.dailybulletin.com/ci_9732507?source=rss

"All except Estrada and Smail are volunteers. The team reserve deputies are paid $1 a year to go into the mountains, canyons and trails to find lost, injured, stranded and trapped hikers, rock climbers and weekend warriors often ill-equipped and unprepared to cope with the dangers in the mountains"

"There are as many different answers as there are people to ask," Buhite continued. "Some will say because it's fun and exciting. Most will say altruism. We all sacrifice time away from our families and regard our families as the unsung heroes in all this. But when we get right down to it, the answer is fairly simple. It most frequently has to do with how we were raised and the examples our parents set for us about helping others."
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OT(but close locally):Man apparently drowns at Malibu Creek park
http://www.venturacountystar.com/...eek-park/?partner=yahoo_headlines

"Ulices Israel Valladares, 20, and other visitors to the park had been taking turns swinging on a rope and jumping into the water below. According to the Los Angeles County Coroner's Office, witnesses saw Valladares plunge into the water, rise to the surface and then go under again. He did not resurface.......

Malibu Creek meanders through the park for 25 miles"

Tour of Crystal Lake on July 26
http://www.pasadenastarnews.com/ci_9937485?source=rss

"ANGELES NATIONAL FOREST - The U.S. Forest Service will hold its monthly naturalist-led tour July 26.....
Guests will be eating at Crystal Lake campground around 11:30 a.m. The tour will last until about 1 p.m.....
The cost is $5 per person...."

Recent incidents...really busy....accidents/injuries/graffiti/parking citations/car vandalism......take care
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Typical summer fare:

"Residents warned of fire risk"
http://www.lacanadaonline.com/art...2008/07/26/news/lnws-fire0724.txt

"Friday was a busy day for area firefighters"

"San Gabriel River becomes deathbed for ducks"
http://www.latimes.com/news/local...08jul28,0,3899017.story?track=rss

"What had been for the last six months a vibrant stream teeming with migrating waterfowls and shorebirds early last week became a dry San Gabriel River channel where vultures gorged themselves on ducklings that died when the flows dried up."

Incidents:

07/29/2008 12:10 ANF-2717 5.8 Earthquake!!!!!!! Miscellaneous Forest Wide

07/26/2008 12:26 ANF-2655 S&R Search & Rescue eaton canyon and lower falls

07/26/2008 15:22 ANF-2659 Illegal campers Miscellaneous Switzers

07/25/2008 18:30 ANF-2640 Injured Hikers/Heat Stroke Search & Rescue Bridge to Nowhere area

Of course, the standard tagging,litter, and collisions. Also parking violations and BBQs
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the updates, AW. Didn't even catch the thing about Crystal Lake. OPEN THAT DAMN ROAD UP!  Cool
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www.adamspackstation.com
ROAD NOTICE!
As of August 1st the gate to Chantry Flat will be closed every evening at 8:00 pm. Any problems or concerns should be communicated to the Sierra Madre Police Department....

Concerts and Moonlight Hikes are cancelled this summer due to expected road construction which will render Chantry Flat inaccessible to the public for up to two months. We will post more as we are notified.


"Pet dog lost to cougar"
http://www.lacanadaonline.com/art.../08/news/lnws-buddyattack0807.txt

"Mountain lion tracks are still visible down the side of the hill near the Brown’s La Cañada Flintridge home.....Ashley Hermans, wildlife management specialist for the Pasadena Humane Society, said the agency receives more reports of mountain lion sightings than of incidents of attack.We are moving into their [wildlife] neighborhoods she added. And with recent fires and drought there is a lack of water and food source.Hermans said residents should be aware of their surroundings and keep their yards clear of debris.Mountain lions are stalkers she said....."

Wrightwood forum on wildlife...
http://www.wrightwoodcalif.com/forum/index.php/board,10.0.html
Bears:
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/...bear.attack.kget?iref=videosearch

http://www.sgvtribune.com/ci_10110480?source=rss
Article Launched: 08/05/2008 11:10:59 PM PDT
ARCADIA - Angeles National Forest officials have announced the selection of Marty Dumpis as the new deputy forest supervisor.
Dumpis previously was the recreation and land staff officer for the forest. From 2001 to 2007, he was the district ranger for the San Gabriel River Ranger District.

Incidents: continued level of parking citations,graffiti,trash,collisions,etc etc..and of course those BBQs...only deal was overflow at Switzers parking last weekend...so Switzers plan to get there early and no chance of escaping parking citation or campfires.


There were a few OT...
-http://www.malibutimes.com/articles/2008/08/07/news/news1.txt
State Parks has increased its patrolling of the area at the top of Corral Canyon near what is called The Cave, the site of frequent illegal parties and where last November's fire started.
-http://www.laweekly.com/news/news/la-river-really-floats-their-boats/19347
LA River..is it a river or? What is a river lands in the Supreme Court
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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LA River..is it a river or?


I'm guessing "or".
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The dog that the cougar took out was a 65lbs shepard mix.  That's good sized dog.   Shocked   Well, I guess if they can take down an adult man, they can take down a dog.  Still, I would have thought a dog of that size could hold his own.
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AW wrote:
www.adamspackstation.com
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As of August 1st the gate to Chantry Flat will be closed every evening at 8:00 pm. Any problems or concerns should be communicated to the Sierra Madre Police Department....


This is messed up. Now I have to finish before 20 hours? smt. Looks like I'll have to put a bike there and park down at the bottom of the hill. Or walk 57 miles instead of 53. Sad
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Incident of suicide along the East Fork SG river(note this was not from the bridge to nowhere)..... Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow...
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Marijuana & the San Bernandino forest...
http://www.sbsun.com/ci_10240892?source=rss

"The pot-harvesting season is under way and will last until fall. So far this year, officials have removed about 80,000 marijuana plants from the forest. If each plant is worth $3,500, as law enforcement estimates, that comes to $280 million's worth of marijuana removed from the forest in the last few weeks...In addition to those raids last week, officials removed more than 40,000 plants from the Santa Rosa and San Jacinto mountains in the past two weeks. Both ranges are in Riverside County but still part of the San Bernardino National Forest. "

Wilderness bill chugs along...SEPT 08 estimated voting time.
http://www.bnd.com/news/nation/story/436409.html
"The House has already signed off on some of the land, giving the designation for nearly a half-million acres in six states. Roughly 60 percent of the land approved by the House is in California.....The land can be used only for such things as hiking, backpacking, horseback riding, hunting or fishing. There can be no mining, no energy exploration, no vehicles and no permanent camps or structures"

---Also note that Griffith Park is up for a vote...
http://www.dailynews.com/news/ci_10263416?source=rss

Accident deaths..
http://www.pasadenastarnews.com/ci_10250818?source=rss
http://www.dailynews.com/news/ci_10254645?source=rss

"California Highway Patrol officers have been targeting speeding motorcyclists on the winding highway all month....Angeles Crest Highway was recently identified by the CHP's Southern Division as one of five areas in the county with the most motorcycle-involved collisions.

As a result, the CHP's Altadena office received additional funding from the state to pay for overtime for extra patrols aimed at increasing motorcycle safety on the mountain highway."

Road closure on Little Tujunga
http://www.dailynews.com/news/ci_10244652?source=rss

"A rain-caused landslide earlier this year resulted in major road damage near the Wildlife WayStation at 14831 Little Tujunga Canyon Road, according to Public Works officials. "

Fire in Green Valley 100% contained.....
http://www.dailynews.com/news/ci_10246335?source=rss

"GREEN VALLEY - A fire that scorched 135 acres of steep terrain in the Angeles National Forest west of Lancaster was 100 percent contained today, the U.S. Forest Service reported.

The South Fire was reported at 12:11 p.m. Sunday near San Francisquito Canyon Road, near Green Valley, and full containment was reached at 6 this morning, the USFS reported. "
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Marijuana & the San Bernandino forest...
http://www.sbsun.com/ci_10240892?source=rss
"The pot-harvesting season is under way and will last until fall. So far this year, officials have removed about 80,000 marijuana plants from the forest. If each plant is worth $3,500, as law enforcement estimates, that comes to $280 million's worth of marijuana removed from the forest in the last few weeks...In addition to those raids last week, officials removed more than 40,000 plants from the Santa Rosa and San Jacinto mountains in the past two weeks. Both ranges are in Riverside County but still part of the San Bernardino National Forest. "


Another reason for me to stay on the trail. These guys had guns. Imagine walking off trail and into their camp. Shocked
This crap and the car break ins. Such lovely things to think about while trying to enjoy the forests. Laughing What a joke!
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lying on the nice rock next to a clear pretty incised pool was a piece of defecation wrapped in toilet paper...to say I was surprised that someone made it to this place is an understatement. We had no choice but to continue but not too long thereafter we encountered a brand spanking new hose, over 1000ft long, continuous. Hard to complain because at least now there was a well-designed trail dug out of poision oak and it all made sense now , except how heavy that hose must have been to carry this far...how does someone acquire such a hose?
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AW wrote:
Lying on the nice rock next to a clear pretty incised pool was a piece of defecation wrapped in toilet paper...to say I was surprised that someone made it to this place is an understatement. We had no choice but to continue but not too long thereafter we encountered a brand spanking new hose, over 1000ft long, continuous. Hard to complain because at least now there was a well-designed trail dug out of poision oak and it all made sense now , except how heavy that hose must have been to carry this far...how does someone acquire such a hose?

Question did you see this? where?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FIGHT ON wrote:

Question did you see this? where?


San Gabriel Mountains Cool
Info is in the hands of the DEA now..and will disappear into obscurity since its very much rugged territory...you want to visit there? Place might still hold value....might not....Im not going back....

Once the season is over, I might try Smith canyon again....just gots to be careful.....assuming the road is open too...not sure if its still closed all the way down at the West Fork Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

what kind of a hose was it? color, diameter and did you see where it was?
can you mark it on this map?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dude... Fight On...

Situational Awareness.
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TacoDelRio wrote:
Dude... Fight On...

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I think it means you not going to get your answer  Very Happy ..think of it as just a story  Rolling Eyes
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