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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 4:28 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

simonov wrote:
Haven't any of those people ever read any John McPhee?


How about CalTrans being the most hostile agency to mtn users in the USA? There are landslides all the time, and they are typically reopened quickly...in days/weeks rather than Caltrans years/decades.

Lets go back in time to 1999. Remeber that year? That was the year, the 'project' began to repair a bridge along Hwy39.
http://www.dot.ca.gov/dist07/Publications/Inside7/story.php?id=60
You'll see in the link all the 'adventure' and 'challenge' they think it takes to repair a small bridge....
"Last October(yr 2006), the Design team literally worked around the clock for seven days on the bridge just to find the proper equipment that would not damage the bridge, but strong enough to lift and hoist the drilling equipment over the rails and down to the riverbed for the drilling operation.  "...or 168 hours straight to know  what equipment to use.

Compare that to http://dma.mt.gov/des/Library/200...ts/Section_3_Part_6_Landslide.pdf

The Montana/Beartooth/Yellowstone slide of 2005, which 12 miles of highway long was repaired in less than 6 months at a cost of $15.2million...compared to $16 million thus far for just the ACH. It also mentions Montana Highway 287 from the 1959 earthquake which was "buried to depths as great as 394 feet" and opened less than a year later.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The Design team literally worked around the clock for seven days on the bridge just to find the proper equipment that would not damage the bridge, but strong enough to lift and hoist the drilling equipment over the rails and down to the riverbed for the drilling operation........


That's not really very long considering what they were doing. Its not like you can go to home depot and rent a crane. The equipment came from Sacramento. It takes time to move machines like that around.
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cool graphics.  thanks for sharing the link CM and lik2hik.
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Interesting graphics.  Appreciate the links, as well.  Danke.
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simonov wrote:
Haven't any of those people ever read any John McPhee?


How about CalTrans being the most hostile agency to mtn users in the USA? There are landslides all the time, and they are typically reopened quickly...in days/weeks rather than Caltrans years/decades.


Well, my John McPhee reference was about how difficult it is to build a highway through the San Gabriels, one of the most unstable mountain ranges around.

Compared to the rest of the country, CalTrans actually delivers timely projects and good value for money.  We have highway projects here in California completed in a couple years that would literally take decades in corrupt east coast states.
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literally take decades in corrupt east coast states.


In defense of the east, they don't have the luxury of near perfect weather almost all year long like we do.
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wow a year later...

I personally drove a load up to hwy 2, 4 miles past the split for palmdale and they have a long way to go. Rolling Eyes It was my first time going up there, I usually just load the trucks. The new crew that is doing most of the work is doing a great job on ordering and not wasting money, and seem to have their hands full with all the work up there. I drove through 2 spots where the road is gone and where I delivered is the 3rd spot they are working on. Pretty sad to see all the destruction and no animals at all. I will try and take a camera up there next time.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like they expect to open it up this month - unless the rains have something to say about it!

http://www.whittierdailynews.com/news/ci_16842265
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ACH is scheduled to open on Monday.

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we have delivered about the last of the concrete that they need. I drove up 2 times this week and the road is good.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The road is supposed to open Monday, but who knows with the weather we're going to get today and over the weekend.

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I predict the road won't open this Monday. Instead the new concrete will cure too rapidly and burst into flames and explode (a la Alan's concrete floor  Wink ) causing the forest to burn down again. Despite the rain. 10 more years of closure.

Idlehour Camp will remain open.

I could be wrong.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I predict the road won't open this Monday. Instead the new concrete will cure too rapidly and burst into flames and explode (a la Alan's concrete floor  Wink ) causing the forest to burn down again. Despite the rain. 10 more years of closure.

It's too quiet.  In particular, my floor has been very quiet lately.  Something has to give somewhere.  Be careful!  ACH may be a deathtrap.
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I predict the road won't open this Monday. Instead the new concrete will cure too rapidly and burst into flames and explode (a la Alan's concrete floor  Wink ) causing the forest to burn down again. Despite the rain. 10 more years of closure.



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That's a different Brian. He's the optimist. "Glass half full" type.

I'm the "glass is twice as big as it needs to be" type. Neutral
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I'm the type that contends the glass is completely full.  Of water and air.
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I'm the type that contends the glass is completely full.  Of water and air.
Yeah, you have to work to empty a glass, even with a loose definition of "empty,"
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I've heard of people that are "the glass is the wrong color" type. The dork is weak in them.
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You have a glass and you're complaining?  Dude, like, whatever, OK?



Some people just don't know when they've got it good.

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Pfft...tin cup.  So bourgeois..

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Pfft...tin cup.  So bourgeois..

You have water and you call me bourgeois?  So First Estate.

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It's not water, it's benzene.
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I don't even have hands.
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Braggart.
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YEAH! TOP THAT!
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Location: Now I have a quote under my name, Taco.

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I'm so looking forward to taking a drive up ACH tomorrow when it opens!  


bwahahahahaha

(mocking the weather, not Caltrans!)
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Been so long I couldn't remember when it opened last time.

This was 'Opening Day' the last time - Nov.30, 2009.   Made it to 5000' and then the black ice shut me down.  







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From the Glendale News Press
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Storm delays Crest opening

Rainstorms and rock falls slow final steps needed to reopen road.

By Joe Piasecki, joe.piasecki@latimes.com

4:33 PM PST, December 22, 2010

Before the skies opened up a week ago, Caltrans was very close to completing repairs needed to open Angeles Crest Highway, which has been closed up to Mt. Wilson Road since January due to roadway washouts and other post-Station-fire storm damage.

Officials hadn't announced an opening date, warning that wet weather could stall completion of paving efforts planned for Friday and Saturday at two spots — one approximately a mile north of the Angeles National Forest 's entrance from La Cańada Flintridge, the other approximately eight miles into the forest and three miles east of the Angeles Forest Highway junction, spokesman Patrick Chandler said.

Lane striping, which cannot be accomplished in wet weather, had also been planned for the weekend if paving was completed.

"Once striped, we would consider conditions on the roadway safe for motorists to use," Chandler said.

As of press time, however, heavy rains and small amounts of falling debris had postponed efforts to re-open the highway.

"There have been some rock falls up on SR-2, but really no more than we'd expect in rain like this," said spokeswoman Kelly Markham. "Because it's raining, we can't complete the striping and the paving operations, but we will begin again as soon as the rain lets up. "

Rainfall is expected to cease, at least for now, by Thursday; but light rains may fall again Christmas day.

Storms pummeling the mountain and foothill regions forced the early Sunday morning closure of county-maintained forest roads near the Station fire burn area, including Angeles Forest Highway, Big Tujunga Canyon Road and Upper Big Tujunga Canyon Road. Those roads remain closed.
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I'm shocked.
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from the Los Angeles Times

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"los angeles times               December 23, 2010



Three Angeles National Forest roads closed last weekend in anticipation of flooding, debris and rock slides from storms lashing Southern California were minimally damaged and will reopen Thursday afternoon, officials said.

Angeles Forest Highway stretching from Aliso Canyon Road to Angeles Crest Highway, the Big Tujunga Canyon Road from the Los Angeles city line to Angeles Forest Highway and Upper Big Tujunga Canyon Road from Angeles Forest Highway to Angeles Crest Highway will reopen by 4 p.m., officials said.

The roads were closed early Sunday morning as a safety precaution due to the threat of fires, flooding and mudslides in an area severely scarred by the Station Fire last year, said spokesman Gary Boze, of the Los Angeles County Department of Public Works.

But the rainstorms only brought a “minimal amount” of debris, water and mud down on the roadways, he said. Cleanup crews were also able to work through the drizzle in the earlier part of the week.

“We were fairly lucky that the brunt of the storm was taken further south,” Boze said. “That is why we are able to reopen so quickly and didn’t have big problems.”

But a rock slide and mudslide did push back the long awaited reopening of Highway 2 from the edge of the Angeles National Forest north of La Canada Flintridge to Mt. Wilson road, Caltrans spokesman Patrick Chandler said.

That segment has been closed since January, when heavy rains washed out five major sections of the highway, Chandler said.

The road was scheduled to open to public use this week after months of major repair work but will now be pushed back several weeks, he said.

“A geologist is looking at the rockslide area right now where there were some large boulders,” he said. “They are going to reassess once the rain ends entirely.”

Chandler said Caltrans plans to add some features to the repair work to prevent future rock slides.
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"Chandler said Caltrans plans to add some features to the repair work to prevent future rock slides."


The rumour kicking around the yard is that they'll move on to Global Warming once they wrap the ACH project.
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obie wrote:
"Chandler said Caltrans plans to add some features to the repair work to prevent future rock slides."


I heard "anti-gravity rocks"
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"The roads were closed early Sunday morning as a safety precaution due to the threat of fires, flooding and mudslides in an area severely scarred by the Station Fire last year, said spokesman Gary Boze, of the Los Angeles County Department of Public Works."

I told you they were worried about the concrete catching fire despite the rain. Don't doubt me.
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It's them wet fires.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 12:14 pm    Post subject: Is Angeles Crest highway open? Reply with quote

We wanna get up there while the temps are low!
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http://www.dot.ca.gov/cgi-bin/roads.cgi

enter 2 for the highway number and presto...
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This highway information is the latest reported as of Thursday, December 30, 2010 at 11:48 .


SR 2  
   [IN THE SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA AREA]
   IS CLOSED FROM 2 MI EAST OF THE EAST JCT OF I 210 TO 14 MI EAST OF  
LA CANADA (LOS ANGELES CO) - DUE TO STORM DAMAGE REPAIR - MOTORISTS ARE  
ADVISED TO USE AN ALTERNATE ROUTE

   CHAINS OR SNOW TIRES ARE REQUIRED FROM 1 MI EAST OF NEWCOMB'S RANCH TO  
ISLIP SADDLE (LOS ANGELES CO)

   CHAINS ARE REQUIRED ON ALL VEHICLES EXCEPT 4-WHEEL-DRIVE VEHICLES WITH SNOW
TIRES ON ALL 4 WHEELS FROM 5 MI WEST OF BIG PINES (LOS ANGELES CO) TO THE  
LOS ANGELES/SAN BERNARDINO CO LINE

   CHAINS ARE REQUIRED ON ALL VEHICLES EXCEPT 4-WHEEL-DRIVE VEHICLES WITH SNOW
TIRES ON ALL 4 WHEELS FROM THE LOS ANGELES/SAN BERNARDINO CO LINE TO THE  
JCT OF SR 138 (SAN BERNARDINO CO)

   ALL TRACTOR-SEMI TRAILER COMBINATIONS WITH 3 AXLES OR GREATER ARE  
PROHIBITED FROM THE JCT OF I 210 /IN LA CANADA-FLINTRIDGE/ TO THE
ANGELES FOREST HIGHWAY (LOS ANGELES CO) - ALTERNATE ROUTES ARE AVAILABLE

Looks like it is open except for these 2 areas...
1) between Islip Saddle and Vincent Gap (surmising this from the lack of chain control info in the quote above for this stretch of road)
2) between La Canada and Redbox

No first hand verification of this so...
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It was closed about a mile east of Vincent Gap a few days ago...

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IS CLOSED FROM 2 MI EAST OF THE EAST JCT OF I 210


WTF does that mean?

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5 miles west of Big Pines corresponds to Vincent Gap. Implies it's now open that last mile that was closed when you were there.

"IS CLOSED FROM 2 MI EAST OF THE EAST JCT OF I 210"

might make more sense if it read

"IS CLOSED FROM 2 MI EAST OF I 210"

I'm not good at making sense though.
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Thanks for the translation. Damn interweb robots.
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Taco wrote:
It was closed about a mile east of Vincent Gap a few days ago...

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IS CLOSED FROM 2 MI EAST OF THE EAST JCT OF I 210

WTF does that mean?

I assume they are trying to disambiguate between the two (offset) junctions of SR-2 with I-210.  For a short (1 mile) stretch in La Canada, they are actually coincident with one another. From the western junction, SR-2 heads south from I-210 into Glendale.
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Now there's someone who makes sense!
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Taco wrote:
We wanna get up there while the temps are low!


you'll never make it. just give up now


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Hey, good on you for takin' those kids on a hike. Laughing
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also there is an Angeles Crest Hwy 'fan' page on failbook that gets a bunch of motorcyclists posting updates
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It's a real good time for motorcycles! Wink

Yeah, been watching that site.
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http://www.mtwilson.edu/ACH.php
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Thanks for posting Ze.
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Location: Santa Clarita, CA

PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any progress is good progress! Looks like they've been busy. Smile
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Location: Carpinteria, CA

PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

more good news:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/art...F01%2F10%2Fstate%2Fn170450S82.DTL

the end of the story mentions that the rest of the hwy should open next month!  WOOHOO!

anyone know when/if the station fire forest closures will be officially?   their website has no information at all and i've emailed them several times with no reply... ?


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