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PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 5:55 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

I was there friday night saturday ... conditions are rought unless you have snowshoes... worst postholing... I was on my way to baden powell sat morning but only made it to islip... The road is closed after Kratka but isnt plowed after Islip saddle... making it difficult to get to Baden powell without snow shoes... I spend the night at islip saddle ... was extremely extremely windy...
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hwy 2 is closed from the Wrightwood side from Vincent Gap to Islip Saddle for the winter, so to get to Little Jimmy trailhead at Islip, you'd have to do the detour up Big Tujunga to the Angeles Forest Hwy to Upper Big Tujunga to Hwy 2 since Hwy 2 is still closed the first 10 miles above the 210 fwy.

Regarding the stove permit, technically you don't need one for Little Jimmy since it is a developed site, but doesn't hurt to have one anyway.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, definitely a no go past Vincent Gap...



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Awesome conditions on Baden-Powell right now, though, a bit of everything.  Will probably post a trip report later on today.
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Looking forward to it.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 11:14 pm    Post subject: Pacific Crest Trail Reply with quote

I'm planning an eastbound hike across the Angeles Crest. We want to end at Lytle or Manker flats but I'm not sure how far west we can start. Has anyone been up there lately? If we wanted to avoid the burn areas where abouts on the PCT could we start our hike? Could one drive up Hwy 2 to Three Points or Cloudburst and start there? Or are those areas all burned out anyway? I know theres usually water at Little Jimmy but thats a long way from Three Points, is there another water source closer to Three Points? Any info, especially re what parts of the trail are definitely not burned would be greatly appreciated.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 11:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Help hiking PCT in Angeles NF Reply with quote

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I'm planning an eastbound hike across the Angeles Crest. We want to end at Lytle or Manker flats but I'm not sure how far west we can start. Has anyone been up there lately? If we wanted to avoid the burn areas where abouts on the PCT could we start our hike? Could one drive up Hwy 2 to Three Points or Cloudburst and start there? Or are those areas all burned out anyway? I know theres usually water at Little Jimmy but thats a long way from Three Points, is there another water source closer to Three Points? Any info, especially re what parts of the trail are definitely not burned would be greatly appreciated.
My understanding is that the PCT is open from Three Points going east.  Take a look at this map.  Three Points is at "A".  There has been water available in the past at the water tank at "B."  I don't know if there is water there right now or not.  Heading east, there will be water at Cooper Canyon Trail Camp "C"  this time of year.  Heading further east, there will be year round water at "D".  You'll have to leave the PCT because of the Yellow Legged Frog closure and climb up to Buckhorn campground via the trail marked "E".  There will be water available at the campground ("F").  You'll have to walk along Angeles Crest Highway until you rejoin the PCT at "G."  In the vicinity of Islip Saddle ("H"), if you're out of water, you could walk east on Angeles Crest Highway to Cortelyou Spring "I" (year round water).  And then finally as you mention, there is water at Little Jimmy Spring (very reliable) at "J".

Hope that helps,

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 8:18 am    Post subject: Thanks Jim Reply with quote

Great info. Is this all based on info from the last time you hiked it? when was that? I'm not able to see a map, did you forget to post a link maybe? thanks again.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 8:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 1:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Thanks Jim Reply with quote

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Great info. Is this all based on info from the last time you hiked it? when was that? I'm not able to see a map, did you forget to post a link maybe? thanks again.
Oops.  Sorry about the map link.  I have fixed it now.

I've been hiking in the San Gabs since the 60's, so some of those water sources I've seen time and time again, in various seasons, some in drought years and some in wet years.  The only one I'm not 100% sure on is the water tank one ("B").  That's dependent on the people who maintain the water tank.  Cooper Canyon Trail Camp ("C") will run dry later in the season, particularly in dry years, but this time of year should be running well.  If it's dry at "C", just head down stream a bit.  Somewhere between "C" and "D" you will encounter water.  I've never in nearly a half century of hiking seen it even remotely approach being dry in the vicinity of "D".  If you're staying at Cooper Canyon Trail Camp and it's dry right by the camp, it's worth your while to walk 5 minutes up the marked blue line stream that is flowing out of the SW.  Sometimes there will be water just upstream.  As you ascend the trail to Buckhorn, there is a muddy seep somewhere around "E", but you generally won't need it since there's normally water in the camp.  However, the camp is shut down right now, and the water supply will be off.  There should be water in the creek that runs through camp this time of year.  If for some reason it were dry in the creek bed, five minutes walk down stream should find you water.  

To the east, Cortelyou Spring is very reliable.  It's right off the road, so I'd definitely filter/treat it.

Lastly, Little Jimmy Spring is rock solid.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 1:09 pm    Post subject: Wow thanks Jim Reply with quote

Excellent, looks like my planned trip will be a cinch thanks to your help. i still dont see any map though, so i dont see any of the waypoints your talking about. Am I missing something?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 1:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Wow thanks Jim Reply with quote

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i still dont see any map

Click HERE!  Very Happy

If that don't work...umm...blame Taco.  Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 2:06 pm    Post subject: map working Reply with quote

Okay Taco, your off the hook! I'm gonna sound like a total noob here but....wow that map is killer! Ive never see one of these! Thanks HJ, HikeUp, Taco, and whoever else!!!
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 2:15 pm    Post subject: Fire damage? Reply with quote

I dont know how many questions I get before I wear out my welcome here, but...

Does anyone know what fire damage is like in the area? Are many portions of this trail from Cloudburst to Vincent Gap badly burned? I'm pretty sure the east of that it should be clear. I'm probably going down vincent gulch to Baldy, I'm assuming theres water down there until I leave Fish Fork.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LOL...another USC grad/fan.  Laughing

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USC grad/fan? Hmm, inside joke maybe. Over my head, sorry.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That area really didn't burn and is in good shape.  You'll see some burned stuff around Three Points, but as you go east, you'll leave the burned stuff behind.  There is an old burn around Windy Gap (from the Curve Fire I believe), but that is unrelated to the 2009 Station Fire.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Wow thanks Jim Reply with quote

HikeUp wrote:
If that don't work...umm...blame Taco.  Wink
Ya got that right.  Laughing

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 5:54 pm    Post subject: Excellent Reply with quote

I'm excited, thanks all.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 11:13 am    Post subject: Re: Fire damage? Reply with quote

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I'm probably going down vincent gulch to Baldy, I'm assuming theres water down there until I leave Fish Fork.

A unique approach to Baldy. Looking forward to the TR.  Neutral
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I dont know how many questions I get before I wear out my welcome here, but...

Does anyone know what fire damage is like in the area? Are many portions of this trail from Cloudburst to Vincent Gap badly burned? I'm pretty sure the east of that it should be clear. I'm probably going down vincent gulch to Baldy, I'm assuming theres water down there until I leave Fish Fork.

You guys are awesome! Thanks!


you are going to hike up Fish Fork?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 1:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Fire damage? Reply with quote

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Does anyone know what fire damage is like in the area? Are many portions of this trail from Cloudburst to Vincent Gap badly burned? I'm pretty sure the east of that it should be clear. I'm probably going down vincent gulch to Baldy, I'm assuming theres water down there until I leave Fish Fork.
 So, it sounds like you're heading east from Little Jimmy along the PCT, dropping down from Vincent Gap via Vincent Gulch to Prairie Fork, ascending Prairie Fork to Lupine Camp, taking the trail over to Little Fish Fork, ascending the Dawson Peak Trail, and approaching Baldy from the north.  From Baldy, you'd descend to Baldy Notch and then take 3N06 to Coldwater Campground and then to the N Fork of Lytle Creek.  Is that the route you're taking?

Lemme know if that's the route you're taking.  Coupla things to be aware of in there.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 1:53 pm    Post subject: route Reply with quote

Yes, that was the route i was considering Jim. It was still up in the air, as is the entire route, open to things like water avail, xcountry opportunities, etc.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:17 pm    Post subject: Re: route Reply with quote

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Yes, that was the route i was considering Jim. It was still up in the air, as is the entire route, open to things like water avail, xcountry opportunities, etc.
OK, 'coupla things to be aware of.  Take a look at the last map link I posted.

Your next water going east from Little Jimmy is at Lamel Spring.  Might be a lot of snow cover right now in the area.  Probably flowing.

When you get to Vincent Gap ("B"), you need to take the old mine road south, and then then there's a little branch that drops off pretty early on.

When you get to the bottom of Vincent Gulch there may or may not be water where you first get down, but at "D" there's a pretty reliable side stream.  I don't bother to filter this one.

The further down you go, the more you'll run into water until the gulch opens up and becomes very sandy as you approach "E".  The creek will be underground the last mile or so.  Once you hit Prairie Fork ("E") there will be water again but it's kind of minerally.  There's some white crap in the water.  I'd probably pre-filter it before running it through a water filter.

The trail from "E" east to Cabin Flat ("F") is pretty much non-existent.  Be prepared for some bushwhacking.  I think it's a little better from "F" up to Lupine ("G"), but that road has been closed for a number of years now.  The road is still open to Lupine in season (I'm pretty sure it's closed for the winter right now).  There is water in the Lupine CG area, if not right in the campground, then definitely at "H."  The old road out of Lupine is in OK shape.  There are down trees and such, but it's passable on foot up to "I".  From "I" follow the ridge down looking for a prominent track leading to the right.  There are a lot of old logging roads out there.  You want to stay on the west face of the SW trending ridge in section 25 and head toward the small saddle near point 7258.  Drop down the switchbacks and you'll intersect an old logging road coming in from the west.  The old logging road is marked as a trail on the map link.  There are a confusing welter of old logging roads on that hillside from the saddle down to the one marked as a trail on the map.  Do your best.  You just have to get down to the main, marked one  Turn left on the main one, and you'll find water at "J".  There's an old trail camp at "K".  Your last reliable water is at "K".

Here's where it gets tricky.  It's tough to spot the Dawson Peak Trail as it leaves the Fish Fork area ("L").  Some people have been able to follow it; some have not.  It's been years since it's been maintained.  Be prepared for XC route finding here.  You may or may not be able to follow the trail.

Once you hit the main ridge ("M"), the trail should be clearer.  Turn right  (south) and follow the trail towards Dawson Peak.  There's a major (and daunting!) drop down to Dawson-Baldy saddle once you pass Dawson Peak.  Then you can follow a rough trail, more of a use trail really, up the back side of Baldy.  It is a very steep trail.  Hope you're in shape for all this.

From the top of Baldy ("O"), head down the main trail to Baldy Notch.  Should be pretty easy to follow depending on when you go.  The Notch ("P") is obvious.  There's water and snacks at the ski area buildings.  You might want to check on hours of operation before you depend on them.  Then follow 3N06 to the N Fork of Lytle Creek.  Alternatively, you can cut down (before you reach Baldy Notch) the ridge that winds up by Big Horn campground.  You can also cut down from 3N06 to Coldwater Campground and from there to N Fork Lytle Cr.  I haven't tried those last two options but have seen posts here about them.

Lotsa interesting hiking!

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 4:17 pm    Post subject: Hikin Jim is the man Reply with quote

HJ, I really appreciate all the time you took to put this together for me. Very enlightening indeed.

Our plan was to make this a 3-4 day trek, seems doable. 2 of us are what I would call very strong, having recently done cactus to clouds, Big Iron, etc. I'm doing ski hut to Baldy Summit fairly comfortably now as a 5-hour hike. The 4th guy I'm not sure about.

Water seems like it wont be an issue at all with the information you have provided. We can do comfortably with 10-15 miles between water sources, further if necessary.

Let me look this over good and get back to you. Thanks again Jim!
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 4:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Hikin Jim is the man Reply with quote

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HJ, I really appreciate all the time you took to put this together for me. Very enlightening indeed.

Our plan was to make this a 3-4 day trek, seems doable. 2 of us are what I would call very strong, having recently done cactus to clouds, Big Iron, etc. I'm doing ski hut to Baldy Summit fairly comfortably now as a 5-hour hike. The 4th guy I'm not sure about.

Water seems like it wont be an issue at all with the information you have provided. We can do comfortably with 10-15 miles between water sources, further if necessary.

Let me look this over good and get back to you. Thanks again Jim!
Cool.  Post pics after yer done.

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Shoot, pics is the least I can do. I hope I can pull this thing together, hikers can be a finnicky lot.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 1:32 pm    Post subject: Hey HJ! Reply with quote

After reading through yer "things to be aware of", I was thinking about skipping all that bushwack and staying on the PCT until I come to the backbone trail. We were trying to keep this around 3 days/3nights, no reason to go the hard way. So now I'm thinking Day 1 Three Points to Little Jimmy. Day 2 Little Jimmy to Blue Ridge. Day 3 Blue Ridge to Manker Flats via backbone and ski hut. What does that crystal ball of yours say about this?

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 2:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Hey HJ! Reply with quote

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After reading through yer "things to be aware of", I was thinking about skipping all that bushwack and staying on the PCT until I come to the backbone trail. We were trying to keep this around 3 days/3nights, no reason to go the hard way. So now I'm thinking Day 1 Three Points to Little Jimmy. Day 2 Little Jimmy to Blue Ridge. Day 3 Blue Ridge to Manker Flats via backbone and ski hut. What does that crystal ball of yours say about this?

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I think that works.  One car at Three Points, one car at Manker.

There will be water at each of your two evening stops (assuming you stay at the camp on Blue Ridge and know where the water is).  

Last day will be a hump, but nothing undoable, particularly if you're traveling light.

Worst part is going back to get your car.

You could just do a PCT section hike instead and keep heading east instead of going South at the "other" Devil's backbone, but the country from Pine Mtn. to Manker is really nice country.

The country heading down into Cajon Jct isn't all that exciting once you descend below, I don't know, say 6000'.

You would miss some really nice country going down Vincent Gulch and going through Little Fish Fork up to Dawson, but the stretch along the "other" Devil's Backbone is pretty cool.

No water from Blue Ridge to Manker that I know about unless you hit snow patches.  When are you going to go?  Tons of snow probably up through April.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 3:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Hey HJ! Reply with quote

"There will be water at each of your two evening stops (assuming you stay at the camp on Blue Ridge and know where the water is)."

So uh, where IS the water? Smile  

"Worst part is going back to get your car."

I have a secret weapon. My wife can take us from our cars at Manker to the starting point at Three Points! Mwahahah! I just need the perfect scheme to make her think she owes it to me!

"The country heading down into Cajon Jct isn't all that exciting once you descend below, I don't know, say 6000'."

Figured.

"You would miss some really nice country going down Vincent Gulch and going through Little Fish Fork up to Dawson"

I know I'm bummed about that. I saw the recent TR to Cabin Flat. That will definitely be a trip of it's own. A one-nighter from Manker to Heaton Flats maybe?

"No water from Blue Ridge to Manker that I know about unless you hit snow patches.  When are you going to go?  Tons of snow probably up through April."

You probably just forgot, there's water at the ski hut. We want to go as soon as the snow allows safe passage without crampons. Through April? Really? That would be awesome, I love it up there right now.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 3:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Hey HJ! Reply with quote

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"There will be water at each of your two evening stops (assuming you stay at the camp on Blue Ridge and know where the water is)."

So uh, where IS the water? Smile  
Well, for two beers...  
Nah, kidding, free for you.  Here's a posting from a PCT hiker:
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[From Guffy Campground it's] ~275 yards N DOWN STEEP slope to spring house in Flume Cyn. Take wide use trail at rock cairn on the right (N) below guard rail just before PCT enters the campgrd ~50 yds E of the water tank. Spring UTM 0439545, 3800530 elev. 7724.
That's the best info I've got; I haven't used the spring personally.  Alternatively, you could walk into Wrightwood (4 mi RT with significant gain/loss), or cache water in advance.

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You probably just forgot, there's water at the ski hut. We want to go as soon as the snow allows safe passage without crampons. Through April? Really? That would be awesome, I love it up there right now.
True, but by then you're almost back to Manker.  Guffy to Manker is still a fairly long waterless stretch.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 4:03 pm    Post subject: Thanks again. Reply with quote

Btw, I got your beers whenever your ready. You just say the word mister.

Your right though, Guffy to Ski Hut is a long haul without water! I hike up there alot, maybe I'll stash some near the summit before the trip.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 3:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Hey HJ! Reply with quote

Hikin_Jim wrote:
Here's a posting from a PCT hiker:
[From Guffy Campground it's] ~275 yards N DOWN STEEP slope to spring house in Flume Cyn. Take wide use trail at rock cairn on the right (N) below guard rail just before PCT enters the campgrd ~50 yds E of the water tank. Spring UTM 0439545, 3800530 elev. 7724.


That was the best of many descriptions I've received for that spring. I've never gone down to it.

If ANYONE, ANYTIME, has updates on water sources on the Pacific Crest Trail, please email them to me at water @ 4jeffrey dot net. I try to keep them current at http://pct.4jeffrey.net but I don't get on this forum very often. Thanks!
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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2011 10:16 am    Post subject: Revised PCT Station Fire re-route now available Reply with quote

Effective May 7, most of the detour through the Station Fire burn area has been lifted for PCT thru hikers.

The only section that is still a detour is just west of Mt. Pacifico where it crosses 3N17. From here, hikers are asked to stay on the dirt road for 4.6 miles to Mill Creek Summit, where they can join the PCT again westard for it's duration.

Also, hikers are asked to only camp at Sulphur Springs, Messenger Flats, or North Fork Station.

Of course, I've yet to see a news release/forest order revison released by the Forest Service yet. But this information is confirmed by the PCT people as well as the USFS.

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http://www.pctmap.net/pctdownloads/station_fire_detour_2011.pdf
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 8:09 am    Post subject: Baden-Powell Conditions Reply with quote

Leaving w/ a group of scouts next week and plan to go to B-P on 6/23 from Little Jimmy; wondering about access to the summit with respect to snow, then how the trail is down to Vincent Gap.  Anybody w/ current info is appreciated.

Will keep checking posts through next weekend.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2011 7:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BP should be all clear. The snow field at 8600 to the saddle should be gone by now.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 10:59 pm    Post subject: Baden Powell via Islip Saddle conditions? Reply with quote

Hiking Buddy and I are planning an overnighter and day hike next week, heading out from Islip Saddle, camping at Little Jimmy and summiting the next day.  Anyone have recent conditions intel?  Wondering if there's currently any snow on the ground and if so how much.  I'm seeing that this week is fairly warm and that another system is slated for the weekend, but I'm curious if anyones got first hand info.  Buddy doesn't have crampons or snowshoes so if things are dicey, we may need to come up with a Plan B.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 2:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You need to be aware of the N and S words! Thats where all the trouble lies as you try to move the body with extra weight on a variable terrain. In a split second your winter fun can be over. There is plenty of North, Shady and steep trail in this area that you have to be aware as you try to reach the LJ camp and beyond. The temp is going to be cold so there will be icy sections on the trail covered with the new snow and you need to have traction in order to avoid an unwanted down hill ride. Mandatory will also be the sticks, crampons or any other thing you can wear that can provide some traction. Secure footsteps(control) takes lots of time so be patient to reach the camp. Then you see how you feel to go beyond the camp and your ability to follow the trail if it is visible or not and to be able to return back  to the camp safely. This is the first hand info you need- awareness of the environment once you get out of the car. Hope  this helps you to go out there and have some fun.......666
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mango,, Did you guys make the trek ? How was the trail up to badden powell ?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No we didn't make the trip.  Aborted at the trailhead when Hiking Buddy got scared (possibly rightly so) by the approaching storm.  Did hike up to Little Jimmy a few days after the storm and conditions to there were beautiful...6-8" of fresh powder, trail still navigable, no icy spots.  Made the trip with Microspikes.  Turned around due at LJ due to time constraints, so I can't attest to conditions further up.  That was all back on the 22 of Nov, so I'm sure conditions have changed considerably.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 10:48 am    Post subject: BP condtions 12/10/11 Reply with quote

I decided to head up BP via the main use trail (or whatever wasn't covered in snow) after a 6 month break from hiking because of an injury back in May. Basically it was time to get off my butt and get back to doing what I love. Got an 7:30ish start and was fortunate to meet a couple of great guys in the parking lot who invited me to hike with them - thanks Steve and Darren. The trail was clear past the first mile point and no real coverage until about the 1 1/2 point, ~7400ft. The trail was easy to follow but was icy for ever increasing stretches as we made our way up. The ice made for some slipping around at times but was manageable without crampons. The 2 mile or there abouts the trail became impossible at times to follow due to coverage so it was pretty much straight up from there. Alternating between kicking steps and following previously laid tracks the going was good and physically satisfying. Still no crampons necessary, IMO, just my ice axe. We topped out at around 10:30am to a snow free summit. The weather couldn't have been better, cool and a slight breeze. After relaxing, snacking, and re-hydrating for a half hour or so we headed down. We down-climbed the upper section until the trail became visible. The icy sections on the descent were interesting to say the least and crampons/micro spikes would have made the going safer and less nerve racking with all the slipping around I did (I'm a bit clumsy when traction gets iffy). All in all a fun hike and in spite of a cramp in my leg coming down (which was relieved by downing some electrolytes in my water and stretching)  it was trouble-free.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 7:27 pm    Post subject: Baden-Powell... Reply with quote

Good review.
I tried it today with my wife - Sunday.  This after turning back on Thanksgiving due to ice, etc within the initial stretch of the hike and deciding to just go elsewhere for the day. We figured with good sun and no rain lots would have melted by then... famous last words... This was only our third time in high country of the Angeles forest since we're new to the area and only second attempt at Baden-Powell...

With storm coming in tomorrow we knew this was our last chance for the year til early summer or so.  

We had a good time, but only made it about halfway up where the ice/snow coverage really started to pick up. We could still manage the trail, but my wife who is not as into the outdoors as I began to slip and even fall once.  Realizing we didn't have spikes and our pace was starting to slow down, the safest thing to do was simply turn around. Course, down was even slower going, but in the end  it was a good time nonetheless breathing the high country air and ran into some other hikers, some of which were getting a start as late as 1/2 past noon today !!!!  Glad we did the safe thing, no death marches here... we'll summit it once the ice is gone come summer.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember doing this hike in the sumer and the first part was steep with some exposure then later on the trails was easy to follow as it was cut through the trees. The top was a little more open and merandering. In the winter I imagine the top wouldbe best going straight up. What is the general conditions for this trail in the winter what gear is needed, is the top even doable, it get pretty narrow?
thanks,
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:24 pm    Post subject: BP winter condtions Reply with quote

In the winter, as the snow gets deeper, the trail gets harder to follow down lower on the mountain necessitating the straight up ascent further down. When the snow is fresh snowshoes are the preferred mode of travel and this is a really fun way to climb this mountain. As the snow thaws and freeze the trail/route gets pretty icy so crampons and an ice axe is the safest way to travel. The ridge at the top does get a bit interesting in the winter but unless you have issues with moderate exposure (I, for some reason, don't) then one would just need a bit more care with their footwork to negotiate this section.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does anyone have any photos of BP's northeast face from ACH? I might head up there and do a route or two on that face... good place.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To put conditions plainly, I don't think you need crampons at all if you're doing the normal trail right now. Once you get to the final ridge, you might need them.

Snow was up to a foot deep in level areas, and 3-4ft deep in gullies.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:40 am    Post subject: Little Jimmy Trail Conditions Reply with quote

I was thinking about an overnight backpacking trip to the Little Jimmy Trail Camp this weekend and I was wondering how much snow to expect up there. I spoke with USFS and they do not have any accurate info since they stated that no one had been up there recently. I'm thinking that I will encounter no more than about a foot of the white. I was up there on Christmas day and really regretted not having snowshoes; I ended up post-holing most of the trip up there and ended up running out of daylight. Any info on the area around Islip Saddle and Mount Islip would be appreciated.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We were at Islip Saddle and Mount Islip on Sunday (came at it from Crystal Lake). This was before the most recent rain yesterday and it's going to rain again this tomorrow evidently. But on Sunday it was practically dry up there. There was barely any snow on the trail at all.

It was funny because we went there to hike Mount Hawkins and South Mount Hawkins -- I figured it was south facing it wouldn't have snow -- but those were totally covered! But the trail up to Windy Gap was clear. When we got to Windy Gap every peak we could see but Hawkins was clear. So we ended up going to Islip instead (didn't have proper footwear for snow).

Again, this'll probably be moot by this weekend since it will have snowed between now and then!
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the info. I wonder how clear the north side of those slopes are since I will be making my approach using PCT from Islip Saddle; I know the north slopes always get more of the white then the south slopes. Based on what you reported I would imagine the worst that I may encounter would be patchy snow and/or icy sections.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 7:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I went up there for a quick overnight during the first of these weak storms. Many many patches of ice and snow along the trail, without traction my lady and I slipped a healthy amount of times, especially on the way out when the fresh snow covered the ice. Take traction if approaching from Islip saddle
I'll try to post up pics a little later
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