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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2015 8:47 am    Post subject:  Reply with quote

Is that Notch route from the ski lift parking lot? I thought it was 3.6 miles from Manker to the Notch and then 3.2 to Baldy summit.
It's cool to see them profiled like this, really shows how steep all the routes are.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 11:06 am    Post subject: First time Hiking Mt. Baldy. Need some information. Reply with quote

A group of us will be hiking Mt. Baldy on July 30th...

Is there a relatively accurate source to forecast temperature for the area?  We do know it's going to be warm/hot.  So, we were wondering how much water to bring per person for this time of year.    Is there an active water source along the trail?  

Also, what would be a good planned starting time?  My first thought was starting no later than 5:30am.

We'll be driving up from San Diego.  We were also thinking about driving up the night before and getting a room to stay at to get good rest and maintain that early start.

Any help information would be appreciated.  The plan is to begin the hike at Manker Flats.

Thank you.

Ron
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 12:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mountain Forecast has weather for Mount San Antonio.

Water fountain at the Baldy Notch restaurant. There is a back entrance that they keep open if the restaurant is closed. You can access the restrooms with running water sinks.

Annual spring next to the Ski Hut. Go up the gully a little if the trail crossing is dry. Sometimes the Hut is occupied and you can bum water from their kitchen.

I'd start with at least two liters and refill at the Notch or Hut.

Your start time is good.

Take sun protection.
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RichardK



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 12:30 pm    Post subject: First Baldy Reply with quote

Since you are starting from Manker Flat, I assume that you are hiking the Ski Hut trail. The last time my wife and I hiked this trail, it took us 5 hours to reach the summit. We are in our 60's and slow. Some fit 30 year old's do the hike in half that time.  The average grade of the trail is 15%. The ski lifts give weather information on their web site at: http://mtbaldyskilifts.com/.  Check it a few days before the hike to get an idea of what the weather will be like.

You will hike a fire road uphill past San Antonio Falls. There, the road makes a hairpin turn south for 1/4 mile and then turns east. About 700 feet after the turn, the Ski Hut trail starts up a steep embankment. There is no sign. It is easy to walk past.

Since the weather will likely be warm, start with 4 bottles (25 oz each) per person minimum.  Just before reaching the Ski Hut, there is a spring that flows across the trail. The water here flows out of the side of the trail. You can catch it in a bottle before it hits ground. It is safe to drink without treatment. There is also a creek at the Ski Hut. If the Hut is open, spring water is piped inside. The Sierra Club host may ask for $1 donation for use of the Hut. We no longer live in So Cal, so I don't know if the spring and creek are currently flowing. If not, then you will need to carry more water.

Once you pass the Ski Hut, you will find areas where the trail branches into a number of use trails. The mountain was damaged by a big thunderstorm a few years ago. The trail is busy and hundreds of hikers have made their own trails in places.

There are four trails that lead to the summit. If you plan on returning by the Ski Hut trail, note where it enters the summit. An option is to return by the Devils Backbone trail which leaves the summit in an easterly direction. It will deposit you at the top of the ski lifts. From there, you can hike down the fire road to Manker Flat. You can also buy downhill lift tickets and ride down. A short 1/4 mile walk will return you to your car.

If you wish to spend the night before in the area, consider either the Mt Baldy Lodge or the Buckhorn Lodge. They are in Mt Baldy Village and are a short drive to the trailhead. Both have restaurants.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This site has reasonable forecasts for many mountains:

http://www.mountain-forecast.com/.../Mount-San-Antonio/forecasts/3068

It is predicting high 60s at Manker where you start and 57 degrees on top with a 15-20 mph wind. Have fun!
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 7:52 am    Post subject: Mount Baldy Loop and "new" trail? Reply with quote

7-21.  Left Manker Flat at 7pm to have a look at the moon from atop Baldy.  Used Register Ridge and made it to top in 2.5 hours.  Fun.  Always amazing when it's over 100 in the valley below during the day but with a little wind at the top it can still get chilly where you want to get moving.

Went down Ski Hut Trail.  All going good til just after the Ski Hut we went down a very used trail and missed our trail to the left.  Hiked about 5 mins when I knew we went the wrong way due to steepness.  Backtracked and found the right turn at a cairn.  Back to the car about 130am.  Nice hike.

My question is, Where does that trail go?  I do SHT a few times a year and never got lost and didn't remember seeing that trail or a cairn before.  Does it link back up with the main trail had I followed it?  It didnt seem like it.

One other thing, have hiked Baldy a lot.  Never saw a Bighorn sheep.  Saw one sprinting across the top about 2 mins down from peak.  

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2016 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I know the spot you're talking about, its when you're still right above the creek and the trail narrows with some small rocks to hop around before you make a sharp left and leave the rim. I think its more of a gully then a trail that people use to get down or up to the creek bed. There are plenty of people that hike along the creek. A little further down there are also use trails that lead towards the Gold Ridge Mine but that's about 1/2 mile before the Ski Hut.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2016 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the replies everyone.

It'll be warm starting our hike even at 0530 Saturday morning.  Cooler as we climb.

Thanks again.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2016 3:05 pm    Post subject: yellow arrows spray-painted on rocks along Ski Hut trail Reply with quote

I did Baldy last weekend, descending along the Ski Hut trail. I can't remember how long it had been since I'd been there, maybe a month. There are some new metal signs on the summit and in a couple more spots between the summit and the ski hut. In addition to these, along that same segment of the trail, there are maybe 20-30 extremely unsightly yellow arrows spray-painted on rocks, apparently to show people where the trail is. I don't remember seeing either the signs or the arrows last time.

The metal signs seem like something that the forest service would have done -- they're fancy and obviously a pro job that would have taken some money and expertise to construct and place. The yellow arrows seem more like something that an extremely clueless busybody would have done because he thought that everyone was too clueless to navigate in the wilderness, and he didn't mind defacing a large area of the mountain with graffiti.

Anyone have any more information about what's up with the arrows or when they appeared? Please reassure me that the forest service isn't idiotic enough to have carried out this kind of vandalism.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2016 6:27 am    Post subject: Arrows Reply with quote

The arrows are the product of some idiot hiker. The Icehouse Canyon trail was similarly marked a few years ago with white and orange stripes. Volunteers removed a lot of those tags with electric Dewalt wire brushes, but remnants remain. It's tough to get rid of paint. There was another incident where some fool was seen numbering the switchbacks on the Mt. Baden-Powell trail. There is one group of hikers who feel the need to improve the forest.

If you aren't angry enough already, then read this report of major vandalism in Death Valley National Park:

http://www.death-valley.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=23029
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2016 10:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The wonder is that they could have done it without being seen and rebuked, the traffic there is so heavy.  I would like to think they were clueless and unaware how objectionable it is, but some degree of covertness seems likely.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2016 11:58 am    Post subject: Re: Arrows Reply with quote

RichardK wrote:
The arrows are the product of some idiot hiker. The Icehouse Canyon trail was similarly marked a few years ago with white and orange stripes. Volunteers removed a lot of those tags with electric Dewalt wire brushes, but remnants remain. It's tough to get rid of paint.


I would be interested in getting together a group to try to undo the damage. A lot of the arrows are on small rocks, and I have already turned some of those over so the arrows didn't show. Most of the rest are on rocks that are larger but could still be flipped with a crowbar. I only recall a few cases where the arrows were on huge boulders. These were mostly in the talus field at the foot of the bowl. If you know the people who own the electric brushes, maybe those could be done that way. Or as a less complete fix, they could be painted over with gray paint.

Some dates I could do are Oct. 2, 9, or 29.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2016 5:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Arrows Reply with quote

bcrowell wrote:
I would be interested in getting together a group to try to undo the damage..


I would love to join you, but I moved to Florida last year. I will always have a place in my heart for the Mt. Baldy trails. Dewalt is a line of battery powered construction tools. They are common on construction sites, but probably are not owned by many individuals. One of the businesses that rent construction equipment may have them available.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2016 5:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Arrows Reply with quote

I tried to learn more about the Icehouse Canyon vandalism. This blog post seems to suggest it happened around 2007-8. This post has photos of what it looked like in 2010. This discussion makes it sounds like it was still there in 2012. I couldn't find any info on who cleaned it up or when. It would be interesting to talk to them.

Anyone else interested in getting together a work party to clean up the yellow arrows, say on Oct. 29?

I'm putting out feelers to people I know through Sierra Mountaineering Club and SCMA.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 12:32 pm    Post subject: permission Reply with quote

The trail is partly in the San Bernardino National Forest and partly in the Angeles National Forest, but SBNF tells me that ANF manages the whole trail. I talked to the district office in Glendora, and they suggested I talk to an ANF person named Freddie Duncan, basically to make sure that there wasn't already some other group planning to do this cleanup. (There is a "trail builders" group or organization, and I guess groups like the Sierra Club often do this sort of thing.) I left a voice mail for Duncan.

I also came across this meetup group, which seems to be active on this sort of stuff, so I applied to join. It's run by someone named Kim Carroll, and I noticed that Freddie Duncan also seems to participate on a volunteer basis.


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