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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 4:34 pm    Post subject: Summer Solstice  Reply with quote

Thinking about joining up with the masses for this Baldy expedition:
http://www.mtbaldyskilifts.com/summersolstice.php

Sure don't need the guide for this hike and I think they have the timing wrong in their website blurb but it's always good to get out and meet new people in the mountains.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

4X4 van shuttles from the ski lift to the "drop off" point.  Fascinating.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought it might be just as easy to fire up Chair 4, drops off at almost the same spot. Either way it skips the hard hill at the beginning of the hike.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:29 am    Post subject: Mt. Baldy Ski Lift Deal Reply with quote

Groupon is offering a deal: $29 gets you two roundtrip lift tickets for the Mt. Baldy Ski Lift plus a $20 gift card to the restaurant at the Notch.

http://www.groupon.com/deals/mt-baldy-la-1?c=all&p=8

Seeing as how lots of people have bought this already (a prior deal site also offered this deal a month ago, I believe), we can expect substantial crowds at or near Mt. Baldy this season. Luckily, they won't be crowding Manker.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 3:40 pm    Post subject: question about mount baldy area Reply with quote

hi guys
im new here...jus quick background..im 20 but have been out in the wild all my life boy scout for years and years but never in the san gabriel mountains
however recently been trapped in the la area for way too long.. heard from a guy that if i want to get away for a while a good place with hardly anyone around in that area in the right places is mount baldy..i know im probly gunna catch crap for this but i dont care... i want to "disappear" for most likely 2 weeks maybe more maybe less i am gunna be hiking out... but i know that im not gunna be able to carry that much food soooo heres the questions   1 any recommended areas with the least population 2 is there small creeks to fish out of.. or can i bring a bb gun or a 22 or whatever and hunt small game squirrels etc
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Post moved to General Discussion. The questions and comments section is for questions and comments regarding the forum, not the mountains.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you want to get out for a couple of weeks, head up the East Fork of the San Gabriel River which flows by Mt. Baldy.  You can explore Iron Fork, Fish Fork, and Prairie Fork as well as many lesser side canyons.

Fishing?  Here?  Good luck.

Hunting is illegal unless you have the proper license and then only in season.  Living off the land?  In Southern California?  Again, good luck.

The native americans themselves couldn't live off the land in terms of fish and game.  They relied on acorns as their primary food source.  Acorns will give you the worst case of the runs if you don't know how to prepare them properly, and preparing them properly is a lot of work.

In terms of food, if you want to eat it, you'd better bring it.  

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not to be total downer on you but there may be a couple reasons why you aren't getting many responses to your question.
Where do I start?
>This is Los Angeles.
Most of us are not trapped here. It is our home and we choose to be here. There is a price for living here: There are a lot of people and therefore a lot of laws. You are asking people to help you do something that is not real popular and will likely be illegal. If you didn't know that it is illegal to hunt tree squirrels in LA County, I'm thinking you aren't up on the fishing and hunting laws. Now if you would eat ground squirrels, wood rats, and gophers, that would be different. Poach a deer? Good luck. There are more people than you can realize up in these mountains and getting caught is a real possibility. I know of two game wardens that hike to the bridge to nowhere on a regular basis. And they are friends with the crew of LASD's "Air-5". Cell and sat phones are pretty common with hikers.
Several of the drainages in the remote areas that might have had a trout or two have been "de-trouted" by State and Federal agencies to comply with a court order to protect endangered amphibians.
Remember your Boy Scout lessons and remember -This is LA. Good luck in your quest.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:29 am    Post subject: Re: question about mount baldy area Reply with quote

curiousscoutsurvivor wrote:
i want to "disappear" for most likely 2 weeks maybe more maybe less i am gunna be hiking out... but i know that im not gunna be able to carry that much food ...


Personally, if I wanted to disappear for two weeks, I would haul about 150 Clif Bars to Upper Fish Fork and set up camp. But for you, I would suggest hiking up the Baldy Bowl/Ski Hut trail from Manker Flats. There is good water near the Ski Hut. Continue up the steep trail for another mile or so until you reach the ridge. Instead of turning right and heading up-ridge to Old Baldy, turn left and walk a short distance to a single campsite. If it's not a weekend, you'll probably have the site to yourself. You'll only be a couple hundred feet away from the trail, and you might get an occasional visitor, but most people don't bother walking over there. Whenever you need more water, you'll have to drop back down to the Ski Hut and climb back up to the ridge, which should be a piece of cake for a serious Boy Scout such as yourself. In your spare time you could also head up to Old Baldy and have a look around. If you can't carry two weeks worth of Clif Bars, then I suppose you could buy food off the dayhikers along the trail. Let me know when you're going up there. I'll bring a bunch of Clif bars and resupply you for $3 a bar.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It could be tough. Like Jim said, the native peoples couldn't do it; and they didn't have rules, bears, or dope growers to contend with.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are a lot of grouping and therefore a lot of laws. You are asking grouping to supply you do something that is not common and will apt be illicit.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Abbeyclark wrote:
There are a lot of grouping and therefore a lot of laws. You are asking grouping to supply you do something that is not common and will apt be illicit.




Now who can argue with that?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Best spam free spammer ever if ya ask me. It almost made sense. Apt be illicit FTW.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 5:38 pm    Post subject: The End of an Era Reply with quote

The Mt. Baldy experience was not complete unless you bought a jar of honey from the Hansens. They had the house at the entrance to the Icehouse Canyon parking lot. Mr. Hansen kept the bees and made the honey himself. After he passed away, his wife continued making the honey. We stopped by a few weeks ago to restock. Mrs. Hansen said that, at age 94, she was no longer going to continue the business. The bees were being given to another beekeeper. While driving by yesterday, we saw the "For Sale" sign out front. Icehouse Canyon will not be the same.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember that sign (for honey).  Alas, I never went over and purchased some.  I should have.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 11:15 am    Post subject: trad near Baldy, slot canyon near Barrett-Stoddard Rd? Reply with quote

A colleague who teaches geology takes his classes to a slot canyon near Barrett-Stoddard Rd, below Baldy Village. He says the east side of the canyon is granitic rock, and he sees people climbing there. Anyone have any further info, such as routes and ratings, quality of rock?

The only other concrete info I've seen on trad climbing in this area is about something called Buttcrack 5.6:
http://www.summitpost.org/buttcrack-5-6/430611
http://sangabrielmnts.myfreeforum.org/viewtopic.php?t=721&start=0
I've been there and looked at it, but haven't climbed it. Apparently there used to be a topo online, but it's disappeared.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That area near Barrett-Stoddard is sport, warm ups are 5.11.

Fritz and I did Buttcrack a long time ago. I have done a ton of new routes in Icehouse Canyon, but the data is no longer online for a variety of reasons. I made the topo, but it's not really required. The route goes up the gully and is very easy and crappy.

Most routes are 5.7-5.8 on rock that's pretty bad. I could give you more info if you're interested, but since none is online at the moment it'll take a while.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 8:59 am    Post subject: rock quality on Buttcrack 5.6? Reply with quote

Thanks, Taco -- that's very helpful! Unfortunately 5.11 is way beyond my capabilities at this point.

Taco wrote:

Most routes are 5.7-5.8 on rock that's pretty bad. I could give you more info if you're interested, but since none is online at the moment it'll take a while.


It's probably not worth going to all the trouble if it's just for me, but maybe if it was online, other people could benefit from it.

Is the rock on Buttcrack 5.6 the same "pretty bad" quality you're describing? I was thinking of trying it as a trad lead, but I'm a beginner at lead climbing, and I only want to attempt it if it's easy to protect. Maybe top-rope it, or mock lead-climb it with a top-rope backup.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 1:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, the rock is about the same everywhere in Icehouse. Crystal Lake Crag has some better rock. For a first trad lead, I think Conveniently Sexy is a good deal. As with anywhere in the San Gabes, there is always loose rock... hike to the tree anchor up atop Conveniently Sexy and clear away any rocks that might be pulled down by your anchor or rope before you lead or TR it. That way, you or your belayer don't get bombed on... Amanda got hit in the face by a rock there once. Shocked

http://mountainproject.com/v/conveniently-sexy/107313355

I lost my other website so I can't really host any data, but I could put it on here in a post. The climbs aren't really worth it for most folks. If I have some spare time (believe it or not I work A LOT here and don't climb enough) I will post some stuff up. Sorry I'm no bueno at the moment. Sad

Living here in Yosemite, I've seen what normal protection is like. I would thus not say the majority of the stuff I've done in the SG's is easy to protect, since there's so much loose rock. That said, I'm grateful I learned to lead in the SG's, because I make better anchors as a result, and I know how to make a bomber anchor out of a pile of crap. Smile Keep this in mind and let it guide you so that you may grow.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 9:32 am    Post subject: thanks Reply with quote

Awesome, thanks, Taco!
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kool info....I've heard the stories, never been. Being an ex airplane nut, always ready to "hanger fly". I'll have to find, if poss, the pic's I took of this lil encounter

Back in 80's I was puttin around after leaving Brackett, breaking in a O/H engine in Cessna 150. Had to be up for a couple of hours, so being snow was still on the peaks, think it was early spring, I decided to cruise the mtns and take some pics. So I  put the screws to her and got her up to about 12,500. Kept wanting to drift back down, but dammit if she was gonna fail, it better now! lol

Anywho I'm listin to chatter on radio and I caught something and thought Huh?. Someone was reporting a aircraft down at Baldy, right above the notch to the n/w as the terrain rises up. Pretty detailed if u ask me, so i turn it up and they aren't REPORTING the plane down, they ARE the plane down.

It was a Cessna 170. he was buzzing the lifts and hung his gear up in the snow on uphill side, so perfectly and slow that he did the perfect upside down belly flop he could of, plane was right there upside down, him standing next to it...red faced I'm sure,

Watched as the then brand new SBSO Hughs 500 heliwhopper made his way up in the thin air, picked him up and off they went...reams of paperwork awaitng.lol

Never did find out how they got her down...........

anyone ?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ur2slo wrote:
I'll have to find, if poss, the pic's I took of this lil encounter....

I decided to cruise the mtns and take some pics.

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It was a Cessna 170. he was buzzing the lifts


Very cool story/info, ur2!!  Yes, be really great if ya' find & post those pics - would love to see some aerials...

Shocked Buzzing the lifts, yikes... back then, do you think they did any [legal $$$] to the pilot --- and what would happen to ya if you tried that 'stunt' today  Confused
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outwhere wrote:
ur2slo wrote:
I'll have to find, if poss, the pic's I took of this lil encounter....

I decided to cruise the mtns and take some pics.

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It was a Cessna 170. he was buzzing the lifts


Very cool story/info, ur2!!  Yes, be really great if ya' find & post those pics - would love to see some aerials...

Shocked Buzzing the lifts, yikes... back then, do you think they did any [legal $$$] to the pilot --- and what would happen to ya if you tried that 'stunt' today  Confused


What would happen these days?

First, I wouldn't hit the mountain, I spent 15 yrs in Utah, the cargo airline I was with hauled the US Mail all thru out the northwest. Dc-3, twin bitches and more....Smile

Second, he'd prolly do a half gainer. Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pretty easy to spot.  I see the remains every time I climb Baldy via the Ski Hut, and have hiked down to the debris field several times.  It's above the Ski Hut.....can't recall exactly how far....but you'll be looking down into a ravine to your left (above the ski hut).  The wreckage is maybe 100 yards or so off the path, down into the ravine.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kool Bob...thx. I've always wondered.

Toodles.....
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 7:20 pm    Post subject: Baldy [area] aerial photo... Reply with quote

Was going through some net photos and ran across this one... Not sure, but maybe it came from this board to begin with...

Anyways, thought some of the board's Baldy and aerial folk might wanna check it too..

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool.
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Are we facing Southwest, Making the upper desert at the bottom, and L.A, county on the top of the pic?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 7:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's what I put together, just "shooting from the hip".



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 7:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks right to me, HJ.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 11:38 pm    Post subject: Anyone up on Baldy today? Brrrrrrrr! Reply with quote

Fantastic day to be out there.   But at 1:00, it had to be 10-15 degrees and 30+ mph wind on top.  Planned on having a beer and soup up there....NO WAY!  Brutal.  Cheesed it to the notch.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:15 pm    Post subject: Baldy from the village 12/15/13? Reply with quote

I think a friend and I are going to try to hit Baldy from the Village this Sunday 12-15-13. If anyone is interested let me know. I'll be bringing an ice axe, crampons, and sense of adventure. I'm not too sure what conditions will be but expect cold and windy with some slick sections. I'm not very fast but don't stop for many breaks (Iron Mtn. car-to-car ~8.5hrs). I consider any (but especially a winter) trip exploratory so early turn around for safety or timing are possible. Meet time will probably be around 7am @ Bear Canyon parking.

Temps\Weather look good so far:
http://www.mountain-forecast.com/.../Mount-San-Antonio/forecasts/1500
http://www.mountain-forecast.com/.../Mount-San-Antonio/forecasts/3068

If anyone is interested and wants to carpool from the SF Valley, I'll have room available for at least one passenger.

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I'll be base camping on the west side of baldy bowl from 12/12-12/16 and hiking Baldy, Harwood, Dawson, etc.

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I'll try to shoot out a conditions report tomorrow or Friday with the Ski Hut wifi.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ski hut has wifi? Public?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JeffH wrote:
Ski hut has wifi? Public?

Of course. That's why all the big horns hang out there.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WiFi must be broken. Still waiting for that report on how all the snow has melted.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 14, 2013 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can confirm, nearly all the snow on the bowl has melted. However, the forested east facing slope did have a good 4-8 inches of snow from the boulder field up. Freeze-thaw conditions have been leaving the trail very icy in the morning. I would suggest microspikes/crampons, because freeze-thaw will only worsen with rising daytime temps.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 11:47 am    Post subject: two mines going up mt baldy between both tunnels Reply with quote

IN the website lagoldmines.com it talks about two mines going up mt baldy between the two tunnels across the river. I have been to the lower mine. It says there is another 3/4 of a mile above that one and is best reached taking the stoddard road. Has any one been to this upper mine and how did u get there.
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I tried once but poison oak, bees, and brambles got in the way. Your best bet is trying to contact Daven Gray...


And if you're talking about "big horn" (the other big horn) That was blasted and completely destroyed a while ago.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 4:55 pm    Post subject: Mt. Baldy Tent Cabins Reply with quote

A bit chilly hiking this am.  Just after sunrise around the Notch the breeze made it feel quite cold.  Anyway, I spoke with a principal of the Mt. Baldy Ski Lifts and he said they had USFS approval for a number of tent cabins ala Curry Village at Yosemite.  Seems like with the Moonlight Hikes put on by the ski area attracting upwards of 250 people per night and now approx. 50 tent cabin sites, the 24 hour usage continues to spiral upwards with commensurate negative impact on flora / fauna.  Just my 2 cents.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 3:09 pm    Post subject: Baldy this Saturday Reply with quote

Hello fellow SGMDFers,

Going to be in town this weekend and of course have to take an excursion into my old stomping grounds. Will be heading up Baldy Saturday morning with a few old hiking-mates. Feel free to join us or maybe I'll see you out on the trail.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 01, 2015 7:37 pm    Post subject: Route Comparisons: Mt. Baldy Reply with quote

I created some graphics showing the elevation profiles of some of the 'common' routes up Baldy. I will add more info to this page as time allows. You can see the graphs here:

Route Comparisons: Mt. Baldy
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2015 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is that Notch route from the ski lift parking lot? I thought it was 3.6 miles from Manker to the Notch and then 3.2 to Baldy summit.
It's cool to see them profiled like this, really shows how steep all the routes are.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 11:06 am    Post subject: First time Hiking Mt. Baldy. Need some information. Reply with quote

A group of us will be hiking Mt. Baldy on July 30th...

Is there a relatively accurate source to forecast temperature for the area?  We do know it's going to be warm/hot.  So, we were wondering how much water to bring per person for this time of year.    Is there an active water source along the trail?  

Also, what would be a good planned starting time?  My first thought was starting no later than 5:30am.

We'll be driving up from San Diego.  We were also thinking about driving up the night before and getting a room to stay at to get good rest and maintain that early start.

Any help information would be appreciated.  The plan is to begin the hike at Manker Flats.

Thank you.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 12:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mountain Forecast has weather for Mount San Antonio.

Water fountain at the Baldy Notch restaurant. There is a back entrance that they keep open if the restaurant is closed. You can access the restrooms with running water sinks.

Annual spring next to the Ski Hut. Go up the gully a little if the trail crossing is dry. Sometimes the Hut is occupied and you can bum water from their kitchen.

I'd start with at least two liters and refill at the Notch or Hut.

Your start time is good.

Take sun protection.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 12:30 pm    Post subject: First Baldy Reply with quote

Since you are starting from Manker Flat, I assume that you are hiking the Ski Hut trail. The last time my wife and I hiked this trail, it took us 5 hours to reach the summit. We are in our 60's and slow. Some fit 30 year old's do the hike in half that time.  The average grade of the trail is 15%. The ski lifts give weather information on their web site at: http://mtbaldyskilifts.com/.  Check it a few days before the hike to get an idea of what the weather will be like.

You will hike a fire road uphill past San Antonio Falls. There, the road makes a hairpin turn south for 1/4 mile and then turns east. About 700 feet after the turn, the Ski Hut trail starts up a steep embankment. There is no sign. It is easy to walk past.

Since the weather will likely be warm, start with 4 bottles (25 oz each) per person minimum.  Just before reaching the Ski Hut, there is a spring that flows across the trail. The water here flows out of the side of the trail. You can catch it in a bottle before it hits ground. It is safe to drink without treatment. There is also a creek at the Ski Hut. If the Hut is open, spring water is piped inside. The Sierra Club host may ask for $1 donation for use of the Hut. We no longer live in So Cal, so I don't know if the spring and creek are currently flowing. If not, then you will need to carry more water.

Once you pass the Ski Hut, you will find areas where the trail branches into a number of use trails. The mountain was damaged by a big thunderstorm a few years ago. The trail is busy and hundreds of hikers have made their own trails in places.

There are four trails that lead to the summit. If you plan on returning by the Ski Hut trail, note where it enters the summit. An option is to return by the Devils Backbone trail which leaves the summit in an easterly direction. It will deposit you at the top of the ski lifts. From there, you can hike down the fire road to Manker Flat. You can also buy downhill lift tickets and ride down. A short 1/4 mile walk will return you to your car.

If you wish to spend the night before in the area, consider either the Mt Baldy Lodge or the Buckhorn Lodge. They are in Mt Baldy Village and are a short drive to the trailhead. Both have restaurants.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This site has reasonable forecasts for many mountains:

http://www.mountain-forecast.com/.../Mount-San-Antonio/forecasts/3068

It is predicting high 60s at Manker where you start and 57 degrees on top with a 15-20 mph wind. Have fun!
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 7:52 am    Post subject: Mount Baldy Loop and "new" trail? Reply with quote

7-21.  Left Manker Flat at 7pm to have a look at the moon from atop Baldy.  Used Register Ridge and made it to top in 2.5 hours.  Fun.  Always amazing when it's over 100 in the valley below during the day but with a little wind at the top it can still get chilly where you want to get moving.

Went down Ski Hut Trail.  All going good til just after the Ski Hut we went down a very used trail and missed our trail to the left.  Hiked about 5 mins when I knew we went the wrong way due to steepness.  Backtracked and found the right turn at a cairn.  Back to the car about 130am.  Nice hike.

My question is, Where does that trail go?  I do SHT a few times a year and never got lost and didn't remember seeing that trail or a cairn before.  Does it link back up with the main trail had I followed it?  It didnt seem like it.

One other thing, have hiked Baldy a lot.  Never saw a Bighorn sheep.  Saw one sprinting across the top about 2 mins down from peak.  

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