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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 5:35 am    Post subject: Vincent Gap Trail (Mt. Baden-Powell)  Reply with quote

Does anyone know what current conditions are like on Baden-Powell? Looking to make the ascent via Vincent Gap in about a week and am wondering about snow and ice. I can deal with relatively small amounts of snow trailside, but am ill-equipped to tackle deep snow and ice. Thx.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd say it's still too early. You'd need an ice axe and crampons and the experience and training to use them.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 6:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Jim.  I knew that would be the answer.  Wishful thinking on my behalf.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree about current conditions.  I was up on the "direct route - east ridge" from Vincent Gap early morning 3/22 and found lots of very hard snow/ice on the way up through the steep forest to the final ridge run.  Crampons & axe were necessary (mostly french technique w/some front pointing): On the way down, I actually had to front-point down a particularly steep and icy section at about 8,000 ft. (a little slip got my adrenalin flowing and prompted me to face the slope and take my time....).

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10-4 Doug F.  Mucho appreciato.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 6:17 pm    Post subject: Baden Powell Reply with quote

Just a quick report on BP. As of this last Saturday the north side still has good coverage. After the first few switchbacks the snow starts. This last storm dropped about 2-4 inches of fresh snow over a hard layer of ice or very hard packed snow. Perfect for crampons. Still a lot of snow toward the top.
The gulley just east of the ridgeline trail is still in good condition for glissading. We made it down from the top  almost all the way to the parking lot in 45 minutes . Good times Smile

For you skiers we met one at the top and he beat us down to the parking lot. Took one of the north chutes and made it to the road in 15 minutes from the top.
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Most excellent!
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 7:58 pm    Post subject: Baden Powell Reply with quote

I am confused as to it's hiking status.
Anyone care to shed some light on this?

The Morris Fire map suggests it is indeed open.....

Thanks in advance.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was open on November 8th. We hiked to Big Horn mine and then went in search of old miner Vincent's cabin. On returning to the parking lot at Vincent Gap, I talked to two guys that had just finished Baden-Powell.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 12:33 pm    Post subject: Baden Powell Reply with quote

Eman,

I will be going up Baden Powell in the morning, should be there at 7 AM or just before that.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

is there water near or on the trail in that area?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 1:39 pm    Post subject: Baden Powell Reply with quote

There's a spring off the trail about 1.7 miles along the trail called Lamel Spring it's just below and to the east of the main trail about 200 yards. I've never gotten water out of it but the books all say it's a "Trickle" at the end of a pipe.

Can anyone else shed light on that source of water? Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 2:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Baden Powell Reply with quote

lilbitmo wrote:
Can anyone else shed light on that source of water? Very Happy

Last spring, while heading back down, we hooked a right off trail, it was a trickle. But I imagine it is still going. Let me tell you, that spring can cure some really bad cotton mouth.  Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We're planning on going up Sunday, late for us.  I want to drive the 2 from La Canada to Dawson apres dawn.  Might ascend via Troop instead of from Vincent Gap.
I feel a need to see it all for myself in the light -- contrary to some other opinions on this board -- before weather closes part of the road for the season!

Very Happy

Have a good hike, Patrick.

BTW, I had a look see at lower Tahunga CYN today on my  road bike and it was bleak to say the least.....
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

EManBevHills wrote:

I feel a need to see it all for myself in the light -- contrary to some other opinions on this board -- before weather closes part of the road for the season!


Bring tissues and maybe a barf bag. Its awful for many, many, many miles.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 11:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

EManBevHills wrote:
We're planning on going up Sunday, late for us. I want to drive the 2 from La Canada to Dawson apres dawn. Might ascend via Troop instead of from Vincent Gap.


Hey, I'll be passing through the area as well! Coming from the fish fork, up the prairie fork trail to baden powell. Weather should be interesting...
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 9:55 am    Post subject: Baden Powell conditions??? Reply with quote

Headed up BP tomorrow via Vincent Gap and the use trail, and wondering about conditions.  Anyone been up lately?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 11:53 am    Post subject: Baden-Powell Reply with quote

Last month Elwood on his own, Zach, I and Newbie went up and then Taco went up the following week.

TR's here - http://sangabrielmnts.myfreeforum.org/about2236.html

http://sangabrielmnts.myfreeforum.org/about2245.html

http://sangabrielmnts.myfreeforum.org/about2267.html

Have fun and post a report for the rest of us to know what conditions are, thanks.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, please report back on conditions.  I'll bet it's icy and there's a good amount of pucker factor involved with climbing Baden-Powell right now, but that's just a guess.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 10:32 pm    Post subject: nice and snowy Reply with quote

I can see it from my kitchen window.Nice and snowy, hope you own good  pair of heavy duty gaiters, but view is stunning.
Clouds are low, mountain is high, makes for wonderful pictures.
Blue ridge pics are stunning this time of year as well.
take mountain high lift to top of blue ridge, with cross country skis.....come down back way to inspiration point.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Canoeman, thanks. I will be heading up there tomorrow. I appreciate your input. I can see the south side of BP from my livingroom, but that doesn't quite help. Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 9:11 pm    Post subject: Re: nice and snowy Reply with quote

canoeman wrote:
take mountain high lift to top of blue ridge, with cross country skis.....come down back way to inspiration point.


Technically, not allowed at MH (or most ski areas). Either XC at a designated downhill only area and/or going out of bounds via ski lift access. Both can result in a ticket being pulled and/or fined.  

Thanks again for the great advice. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 3:05 am    Post subject: thnx again mtnman for your typical snotty comment Reply with quote

MTNMAN, feel free to ignore my posts.
frankly I'm tired of your snotty rude responses.
please keep them to yourself.
Your constant cheap shots are getting old.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 3:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, should have been more clear.
I live just down from the base of Islip.
I was up from vincent gap on the weekend.



TacoDelRio wrote:
Hey Canoeman, thanks. I will be heading up there tomorrow. I appreciate your input. I can see the south side of BP from my livingroom, but that doesn't quite help. Smile

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:22 pm    Post subject: Re: thnx again mtnman for your typical snotty comment Reply with quote

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MTNMAN, feel free to ignore my posts.
frankly I'm tired of your snotty rude responses.
please keep them to yourself.
Your constant cheap shots are getting old.


One of my peeves is people that spew BS and continually give out bad information that can get people in trouble.

It's real simple. Give accurate and factual information, (not what you deem are facts, which are really just your opinions) and you won't have me responding to your posts.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 8:01 pm    Post subject: Baden Powell conditions??? Reply with quote

I've got a hankerin' simmerin' for a heaping helping of Baden-Powell from Vincent Gap via the use trail.  Anyone been up post storms?  Has trail been broken yet?  Is the snow consolidated enough to make the trip with crampons only? Is the road open?  Avy danger?  Usual recon questions.  Thanks.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From Kenny Oslund of JPL, sent on Feb 1:

Yesterday, Marc, Nate, Kedron and I summited Mt. Baden-Powell. It's
gorgeous out there and the snow pack is holding up quite well.
Coverage is good despite the warm temps, and it seemed really stable,
although we didn't dig a pit or do any more formal analysis. We stuck
an avalanche probe down in the snow near the summit just to see how
deep it was; I'm not sure how much you can say from one measurement
taken from a spot that's probably wind loaded, but there was still
about 160cm of snow- not too bad for the san gabes! up high (above
somewhere probably between 8k and 8.5k ft) the snow is pretty soft and
powdery on north facing slopes- made for some pretty good skiing,
although you didn't sink in very much. further down, there's a pretty
strong melt-freeze crust setting up- not very nice to ski on. It
probably got into the 40s or 50s at the trail head, but not above the
mid 30s at the summit (may have even stayed bellow freezing all day up
that high). Can't wait for the next snow- since we have such a good
base (by san gabe standards) it will make for epic skiing even if we
only get 10-12"!

Here are my pictures:
http://picasaweb.google.com/KenOslund/131_badenPowell#
and Marc's
http://picasaweb.google.com/allen.marc/BadenPowell20100131#

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On Monday looking over from Mt High it looked pretty snowy.
That's about all the detail I have, sorry.
Oh, and some clouds.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Might as well bump this one too Smile
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PostPosted: Mon May 10, 2010 8:25 pm    Post subject: Baden Powell trail conditions? Reply with quote

Hiking Buddy and I planning on a hike up BP from Vincent Gap this weekend.  Anyone been up the trail lately?  From my vantage point in the Antelope Valley, it seems as if there's still quite a bit of coverage, but what condition is the snowpack in?  Any details appreciated.
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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2010 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

can't say about the actual snow conditions, but the snowpack itself I hear is still pretty solid for about 70% of the trail.
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PostPosted: Fri May 14, 2010 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is true. Messed around up there yesterday morning. Had the crampons on early, only went about 1/2 way up because as it warmed up I started to posthole like crazy and I wasn't in the mood for that.
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PostPosted: Fri May 14, 2010 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good to know.  Mtnfox, what time did you leave the trailhead?  I too, am not really in the mood for a posthole fiesta.
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PostPosted: Sat May 15, 2010 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry if this post is too late - just got back on here today. I didn't start hiking until about 9:00 AM so if you get an earlier start you might not run into the same degree of issues.
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PostPosted: Sat May 15, 2010 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks.  Trip got postponed till next weekend at least, so we'll keep that in mind.  We usually like to try and get an early start, so hopefully we can outrun El Postholio.  Do you think snowshoes would be applicable?
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PostPosted: Sat May 15, 2010 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

At one point it started to seem like snowshoes would be a good idea, but it is definitely melting fast now so it could change a lot by next week. I bailed off the trail pretty early and headed straight up the mountain, but I did pass a some hikers on my way down that had made it pretty far without crampons or snowshoes by staying on the south-westerly side of the mountain and cutting up to the next switchback whenever the trail disappeared into the snow.
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PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2010 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone going up BP this weekend?  Would like to go a direct route over firm snow (early) if those conditions still exist.
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PostPosted: Sun May 30, 2010 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

After many weeks postponement, Hiking Buddy and I finally made it out to BP.  Trail was completely clear up until about the 2 mile marker.  From there it's mixed for another 1/2 mile or so with intermittent patches of snow.  We cramponed up here, though could have either earlier or later depending on your personal preference. We got an early start, 5:30 or so, so the snow was iced over and slick, but soon slushed out once the sun came up.  At about 2/3 up, snow coverage was complete.  Fairly firm pack, no problems with El Postholio.  Once we reached the ridge, took off the 'pons and blazed to the summit.  Descent was without any unusual incidents.  Slightly slushed out snow made plunge stepping a bit sketchy, but nothing major.  Lots of PCTers lunching at the parking lot when we returned who would have quite a climb in front of them since I'm sure that not many had crampons.  My heart went out to them as I can't say that I'd want to climb that trail without some sort of traction device, although judging by all of the tracks it appeared as if many had.  Slow going, one would imagine.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 9:14 am    Post subject: Baden Powell - conditions? Reply with quote

Greetings!

I heard there was a fire in the Big Pines area a few days ago.

What are the conditions around Baden Powell area? Are there any road closures or this fire fully contained?

Thanks for any info you may have.

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I was up at Grassy Hollow with my kids on Saturday, the road was open heading to Baden Powell from what I saw. It was closed heading down to Jackson lake area.
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yobtaf wrote:
I was up at Grassy Hollow with my kids on Saturday, the road was open heading to Baden Powell from what I saw. It was closed heading down to Jackson lake area.


Good to know. I am thinking doing the same and taking wife and kids for a morning stroll.

Thanks for the info, mate.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 12:53 am    Post subject: Baden Powell - Conditions? Reply with quote

Has anyone been up to Baden Powell recently? If so, how are the conditions? Any information would be much appreciated! Thanks.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep, been to within a mile of it! Smile ACH is closed about a mile east of Vincent Gap, so you can't access the trailhead by car. It would be easy enough to ski in and skin back to you car.

It looks great, though. Early-full conditions, so there should be 2-3ft of unconsolidated snow, with the Northeast Face and other steep aspects probably in mixed conditions with some consolidated snow, a fair amount of water ice down low, and powder in the center of the gullies.

Can't wait to get up there.
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Thanks for the 411.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I heard it was closed at Big Pines today, but will reopen to at least Grassy Hollow by the weekend, if not to Vincent Gap.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there a reliable website to check on the status of ACH?  I'm hoping to head up the weekend of the 15th (weather permitting), hit BP, Throop, Hawkins, Islip, and spend a night at Little Jimmy Camp.

So far, it doesn't look like any big storms are headed in, is it safe to assume I'll be able to park at Vincent Gap?
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Cool, thanks
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I hope they're accurate! Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As of this morning, Hwy 2 has been re-opened to Vincent Gap on the Wrightwood side.

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