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PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 10:44 am    Post subject:  Reply with quote

This might fit the bill: http://www.gpsmountaineering.com/mountbaldybowl2-3-2008
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 11:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

simonov wrote:
I was more thinking of meeting at the Ski Hut.  It might be better than waiting around in the parking lot for people to show up, especially latecomers.

I'm thinking of getting up there early and making . . . PANCAKES!

Yieah, now you're talkin' ..
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey yall.

I did a few trips up to the bowl last year to practice beginning skills, and I'm very excited to meet people more adventurous than my only buddy with gear (great guy, but his comfortable winter limit seems to be walking up Icehouse).  See everyone at Manker...

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I might overnight it in the bowl near the hut instead of trying to rally up so early and make pace with you guys.

What's the road/Manker like on Fridays during the day?  Should I still go early, or does the workday/schoolday factor mitigate traffic and parking insanity?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

@Bert - the ski lift is open so there's a fair amount of traffic coming and going from there - yesterday (midweek) wasn't bad at all.

Friday afternoon should be easy, it's Saturday that will be the joke - it will be a zoo getting out of there.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wait a minute, what ? A ZOO ?


@ Dave..thats funny, the stuff that gets pulled up on him never looks quite right. I should start leaving the camera at home.

looking forward to seeing you too.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This will not be on the agenda... Helmet glissades strictly forboden!

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm totally trying a helmet glissade!
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We'll see you guys there. Can't wait to meet everyone!
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 7:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Question: will it be better to use microspikes at first probably up to the ski hut you think? And then crampons? Or is there enough snow to pretty much just stick with crampons?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

norma r wrote:
This will not be on the agenda... Helmet glissades strictly forboden!



Dang I was hoping to see that.  Very Happy

We'll have fresh snow!  Yippee!!!!!!!!!!!!  Can't wait till tomorrow!
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

leeza22 wrote:
Question: will it be better to use microspikes at first probably up to the ski hut you think? And then crampons? Or is there enough snow to pretty much just stick with crampons?


The microspikes might be useful on the bare parts of the San Antonio Falls Road (always covered with black ice in the mornings), but after that you probably won't need anything special on your feet below the Ski Hut.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tracie, I think Norma remebers the frantically stressed look on Ferns face after he realized he had just tried to force 160 pounds into a little helmet. He wasn't smiling.

but we all know about going somewhere in the snow with Taco...



yes, the pack is bigger than he is.

and you will be teaching how to glissade with your spikes on ?

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 2:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love Fern.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Coming out from Huntington Beach. Look forward to seeing some mountain folks.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gonna get an early start and meet you guys at the hut. I'll be naked so i'll be easily recognized.
(joke)
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

See you guys. We'll sleep in our car up there...don't want to miss it. We have a hard time getting up at 4:30 am Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like there's going to be a big turnout! Just don't take all the parking! Maybe there can be somebody stationed lower on the road to tell people that want to "play" in the snow that the snow is closed for the day!
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Taco wrote:
I love Fern.


Gotta love a guy that wears a bathing suit @ 11,000' in December

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I want to thank Taco for such a fun day!  Pix to follow.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HUGE thanks go to Taco and Simonov for organizing a great day in the Baldy Bowl. What was the attendance number? 30- 40? I counted at least 80 people from different groups in the bowl today.

Also, thanks to Simonov, Norma, Taco, Dave G (I'm sure I must be leaving someone out) for giving pointers to those of us who have little experience in snow travel. I gotta' practice "head down/on my back" self arrest a little more Smile

It was also fun meeting so MANY of you from the board... it's good to put faces to the posters.

Thanks to all!
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks to you guys for coming out!

Here are my pics: http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/...DelRio/20110108%20Baldy%20Clinic/
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Awesome how many people showed!Great to meet everyone!

Thanks to everyone who showed up.Thank you Ryan for setting it up and everyone else helping to organize also! Awesome turnout!Beautiful day with beautiful people,excellent fun all around.Everyone has such great spirits and are wonderful kind people. =D
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Taco for putting this together,Simonov for pancakes in the morning..It was really good putting faces to these names on the board..
I  had alot of fun, you people are good to hang with(if i can keep up)..

Thanks for the pointers everyone who helped,  on useing the ice axe with crampons on and off...

mark

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 10:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was nice meeting everyone! I kinda wish we had nametags with our forum names because I wasn't sure who to introduce myself to. There was a heck of a lot of people! Smile

I really want to join the clinic and hear tips from the more experienced folks, but we didn't have enough time so we had to break off. Here are some pictures.

Big turnout!


Taco at the top of Figure 11


Taco's group heading up the summit


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That video of Taco on the summit is priceless Mark,especially with your yell!That was great!
<br/><br/>Baldy 1-8-2010  with Taco 074.AVI
Awesome photos,thanks so much for snapping so many =D

Sent you a pm to get some high res of a few if you dont mind.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Definitely bummed I didn't make it. Woke up at midnight with full on fever and body aches. I had the car already packed up too.

I am looking to climb SOMETHING in the San G's next weekend (I have a buddy coming in town). I'm new out here and was hoping somebody could suggest a route up? Even better, one route that wouldn't require crampons (in case I can't find a pair of straps for my friend) and one route assuming I can find a pair.

Looks like ya'll had fun, sorry I missed out. Definitely next time.
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Iron Mountain!!!!! Probably snow free. Beast of a hike though.
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Nice meeting everyone Very Happy


Fun day on the mountain, all except my clutch went out on my truck on the way down..sucks








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PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 8:58 pm    Post subject: Mountaineering Class Reply with quote

Super Glad I was able to meet up with everyone and meet all the new climbers coming out to learn new skills - once again thanks to Taco and Siminov for organizing this - as this is all part of the same thread I'll just throw My Pictures up here and report that the snow early morning was fantastic (firm) for doing the face of the bowl, it got softer in chute near the top as the sun was warm yesterday. It was nice to see some left over rim ice hanging in the trees above the ridge at the top of the bowl but one chunk decided to hit me sqaure in the forearm when I was 3/4 the way up the face, just about knocked me over.

Ty (Secondlizzard) nice work on your second time up the face of the bowl.

Everyone was having a fun day on the mountain, just glad I could join everyone  Very Happy  Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Taco, and Norma and everyone else. We had lots of fun! Hope to see you again soon! I have some good pictures, but I'm still trying to figure out how to attach them on the post. Do you need to know the HTML codes for the images?[/img]
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Thanks guys! Cool pics!

Leeza, you just need to put the tags on either side of the link, an example being [img] somethingdotcomslashhappydotjpg [/img] (without the spaces, etc).
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I had a great time. So great in fact that I didn't take many pictures. Oh well. Those that I did take can been seen at http://outdoors.webshots.com/albu...1887GzDkpk?session_source=webs720.

I look forward to climbing with everyone again soon.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 10:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I took a lot of pics they're here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/29308219@N06/sets/72157625792926144/

Thanks again Taco!
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Very Happy Taco, what a VERY FUN day we had!  Thank you for organizing the day and directing us to the west bowl that kept us out of the rime ice trajectory.  The warm sun and soft snow made glissading and self arrest happen in slow mo but at least those that were there for the first time got an "idea" of what skills you need for safe winter mountaineering. Thank you Siminov for kicking up the Spirit of Mountaineering a notch by making pancakes on your camp stove at the hut. Smile Yum!  and to So.Cal Mark for the homemade fudge! Double yum! Smile  Smile It was great to see friends and meet new faces from the board including Johnny B, Leeza, Sergei, Ingrid, Mike P and Lcpl Hughes, Dave (Funyan005) and James (DukeJH).  Tim!... you were there?... did we meet?  Confused   was i hypoxic?  Good to see you on frozen water Kirk!  Wink

Best of all for me, was seeing and knowing some of the attendees safely summited for the first time in winter. Very Happy  Maybe the Aetherians are right!?!... there is something magnetically magical about dear old Mount San Antonio.  He brings you back again and again!

btw... Kathy Wing (wingding) a member of this board, told me a Meetup group, SoCal Hikers and Peakbaggers at www.Meetup.com has a weekend scheduled at Baldy with Kurt Wedberg's Sierra Mountaineering International for two days of snow skills.  Sat Feb 12 Snow Travel and optional Sun Feb 13 Snow Anchors & Crevasse Rescue.  There is a 20% discount if you apply as a member of this group by Jan 30th or you can directly register through the SMI website: http://www.sierramountaineering.com/  I have taken the course and highly recommend it.  

some of my pix from the day...

Baldy giving us a proper alpenglow greeting


Leeza on a traverse


Mark's "Regulation" mountaineering thermometer Wink telling us it's a balmy 42 degrees on the bowl


Dave G topping out on a 51 degree headwall


As always... the views!


Dave G and Bluerail feelin' frisky


Battle of the rime


Running into Leeza and Sergei as they descend from their first winter summit


Steve and Taco wait near the summit so our group can be summit blasted together.  Now that's truly the spirit!


Mark, Dave and James summiting


Johnny preparing for lift-off


So.CalMark ready for a fun descent


Motley and her crew back at Manker.   Dave G, James, Mark, Dave, Steve, Taco and Johnny


Very Happy Very fun day indeed!  rest of my pix and videos are here:
http://picasaweb.google.com/ryan.norma87/BaldySnowSkillsDay1811#


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Good times! Very Happy
More snapshots! Cool http://www.flickr.com/photos/21042415@N02/sets/72157625667662735/
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Tracie, great photos!  You captured the day!
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Awesome day! Thanks Taco and everyone for their tips and tricks. Was a sweet way to summit baldy in winter for the first time. Thank you all.
Especially thanks to Tracie who had an extra pair of sunglasses, and thankfully I'm not snow blind today!

On another note, anyone hear anything about that one guy who was hiking up that colouir after we were coming down? I saw a fire official on the road on the way down talking to some people and pointing up to where he was. Hopefully he made it down safe.

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Fantastic pictures from everyone! =D (Hope yall dont mind if I use some for my personal photo accounts etc)

Regarding the young fellow climbing up in the unsafe situation.Taco and I informed a ranger that came by us.Basically telling him it was going to get dark soon (of course) and we saw some kid/person heading up the chute which could lead to some drama.

The ranger thanked us quickly and pretty much knew what chute/area and gestured like this isnt the first time in that area.Seems like a few kids probably have gotten way over their heads trying to go up the chute, having "fun" in the snow.

Glad there are rescue personal and safety people to help the masses.Much respect to those hard working people.
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norma r wrote:
Tim!... you were there?... did we meet?  Confused   was i hypoxic?


Haha, yeah unfortunately I didn't get to meet a lot of people. I was only at the Ski Hut briefly and then we had to break off because I had my own trainee. We were the three guys that went up towards the rocky chutes on the left side of the Bowl. We popped over the lip just as you guys were coming up the ridge.

But based on your pictures I guess we ran into Leeza and her friends. Hello! They followed us down the center of the Bowl. I was a little surprised they did because going over and down that lip at the top is a little intimidating but the snow was very forgiving that day. I probably would not have taken my friends down that way on an icier day.
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norma r wrote:
Tracie, great photos!  You captured the day!


I dunno...your photos are awesome!
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Re: 29 January glacier travel practice

Dudes,

I'm not going to be able to make this.  Came back from Vegas with a cold I am trying to shake.

Sorry.
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No worries! Hope it wears off soon.
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norma r wrote:
Kathy Wing (wingding) a member of this board, told me a Meetup group, SoCal Hikers and Peakbaggers at www.Meetup.com has a weekend scheduled at Baldy with Kurt Wedberg's Sierra Mountaineering International for two days of snow skills.  Sat Feb 12 Snow Travel and optional Sun Feb 13 Snow Anchors & Crevasse Rescue.  There is a 20% discount if you apply as a member of this group by Jan 30th or you can directly register through the SMI website: http://www.sierramountaineering.com/  I have taken the course and highly recommend it.  
Hey, Norma,

Do you know if SMI provides equipment for those who sign up?  One of my hesitations for coming on this sort of thing is that I don't own all of the equipment necessary.   I've got an axe and 'pons (vintage 80's stuff), but that's about it.

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Hikin_Jim wrote:
Do you know if SMI provides equipment for those who sign up?  One of my hesitations for coming on this sort of thing is that I don't own all of the equipment necessary.   I've got an axe and 'pons (vintage 80's stuff), but that's about it.

Jim,
I looked at their website and i didn't see a mention, but i know from experience they rent just about anything you need for an expedition or class.  Their rental fees are pretty nominal.
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norma r wrote:
Hikin_Jim wrote:
Do you know if SMI provides equipment for those who sign up?  One of my hesitations for coming on this sort of thing is that I don't own all of the equipment necessary.   I've got an axe and 'pons (vintage 80's stuff), but that's about it.

Jim,
I looked at their website and i didn't see a mention, but i know from experience they rent just about anything you need for an expedition or class.  Their rental fees are pretty nominal.
OK, cool.  Thanks for the info.  

Dunno though.  Klutz like me should probably stay away from sharp, pointy things and stick with hiking and backpacking.  Looks fun and tempting though.

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Hikin_Jim wrote:
Dunno though.  Klutz like me should probably stay away from sharp, pointy things and stick with hiking and backpacking.  Looks fun and tempting though. HJ

stick with hiking and backpacking... and flammable equipment?  Wink

As my hiking friends will attest my middle name ain't Grace!  But i just LOVE hiking in snow.  I always loved playing in it, i love skiing it and now i love hiking and climbing it.  Guess it's either in your blood or it's not.  Hopefully, we all find our passion and i found mine.  Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bring your skis, Norma!
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jim, all you need, as I recall, are ice axe, crampons, alpine harness and one locking caribiner.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

norma r wrote:
Hikin_Jim wrote:
Dunno though.  Klutz like me should probably stay away from sharp, pointy things and stick with hiking and backpacking.  Looks fun and tempting though. HJ

stick with hiking and backpacking... and flammable equipment?  Wink

As my hiking friends will attest my middle name ain't Grace!  But i just LOVE hiking in snow.  I always loved playing in it, i love skiing it and now i love hiking and climbing it.  Guess it's either in your blood or it's not.  Hopefully, we all find our passion and i found mine.  Very Happy
Well, I know people who have gotten hurt or killed doing winter mountaineering.  That's actually how my dad died.  I don't know anyone who has been seriously hurt with a stove, although they can be dangerous if you're not careful.  I had a white gas one leak one time while in use about ten years ago.  That was quite exciting.

I'm definitely not into high risk mountaineering, something like Snow Creek or anything like that.  Anything that requires roping up on, snow anchors, pickets, etc. doesn't interest me.  Way over my level of athleticism.

I would on the other hand like to improve my self arrest technique.

Dunno.  Just thinking out loud here.  Thank you for letting me share.  Smile

HJ

P.S.  I'll call you Grace.  Smile
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