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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 9:27 pm    Post subject: WEBSITES - Post links to useful websites!  Reply with quote

Steve Larson's Summit Post Page on San Gabriel Mountains
http://www.summitpost.org/area/range/171120/san-gabriel-mountains.html

Southern California Mountains Forum at www.mt-whitney.info
http://www.mt-whitney.info/viewfo...=b14267c846dbf61f574aa8ee517579cc

Mount San Jacinto Message Baord, includes San Gorgonio Mountains also
http://www.mtsanjacinto.info/index.php


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 8:55 am    Post subject: this page is pretty helpful Reply with quote

Sierra Club Hundred Peak Section
http://angeles.sierraclub.org/hps/hpslist.htm

has good directions and routes
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:55 pm    Post subject: Useful Websites Reply with quote

I found this site awhile back, but I'm not sure how to insert it as a link

ADVENTURE HIKES AND CANYONEERING IN THE SAN GABRIELS
http://www.dankat.com/advents/content.htm
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 9:46 pm    Post subject: Outdoorsclub.org Reply with quote

This is a great wesite for finding activities in the area,

Outdoors Club
http://www.outdoorsclub.org
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tom Chester's pages are nice.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 4:56 pm    Post subject: Useful Links Reply with quote

The Sierra Club HPS has already been mentioned but the link for its scheduled outings was not. Here it is
http://angeles.sierraclub.org/hps/outings.htm
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I compiled a list for SummitPost of what I thought were the toughest one-day hikes in the San Gabriels. Have a look.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 8:35 pm    Post subject: Tierrawiki Reply with quote

This is a neat site for gps tracks and info on peaks, and routes. It is a wiki so it is created and edited by users. http://www.tierrawiki.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 6:07 pm    Post subject: Useful Links Reply with quote

Here is another useful link for information on the SGabriel Mtns from Carol who works for the Forest Service locally now, and previously in the High Sierra.
http://www.tarol.com
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:55 pm    Post subject: Flickr photos Reply with quote

San Gabriel Mountains pool
http://www.flickr.com/groups/sangabriels/pool/

California waterfalls, lakes and streams pool
http://www.flickr.com/groups/98269446@N00/

CA waterfalls-Leon Turnbull-www.waterfallswest.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/leapin26/

Taking my photos from canyoneering.net I have started one at:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/13833920@N03/
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 12:37 am    Post subject: Newcomb's Ranch Reply with quote

Here is the page I created fo Newcomb's Ranch Restaurant.

If anyone has anything to add, please let me know. I found their service to be really, truly top-notch, and the food delicious. If anyone is an SP member on here, I'll be more than happy to share the page as a co-editor, to get better info out to the people.

http://www.summitpost.org/custom-object/357193/newcomb-s-ranch.html

Their chili burgers kick ass. Looking forward to a few drinks there after some climbs near Williamson this winter.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wait just a minute here. I don't see the ratings. Isn't their chiliburger 5.13b? Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hey, where are the close-up photos of your meal? lol
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meal? Heck, post a picture of a tall, cold one, bro. Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I stopped working on it when I got sick last night.

I can't put routes on it! Argh! Otherwise I'd put down the 5.13c burger, etc etc. I think you can attach a route anyway... I just followed the Whoa Nelly Deli page, which is also a "custom object".
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get well soon -- I can't tell my burgers with out a rating. Very Happy
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Page has been updated.

"Italian Sausage Hero". Sounds like a cheap porno.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not sure if you'd get a frontal shot, but you'd definitely see some buns with that one ...
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 12:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oooohhh Laughing

I'd go further... but I'll not do that yet. Cool
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 8:33 am    Post subject: Aviation Archeaology and Mountaineering Reply with quote

Hi Everyone,

I'm the new guy here and I wanted to share my passion with you.  I like to go on long hikes to visit military wreck sites.  As many of you already know, there are two crash sites just North of Mt. Williamson

A C-46 Commando, and a C-119 Boxcar. A really good site to visit is the C-130 crash site below Pleasant View Ridge.

Anyone else like to visit these sites?

My favorite resource can be found here Joe idoni Crash sites


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of my buddies also does this.

I've been to the West Baldy USMC F6F Hellcat crash site, but I think that's it.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 9:19 am    Post subject: Wrecks Reply with quote

Hey Bill,

Just joined the group because my friend Taco told me about it. I'm into wrecks too. Been focusing on peakbagging of late, but now going back to wrecks, lookout towers , and rocks. I've wanted to visit that B-25 Mill Canyon wreck for awhile. Maybe we can combine efforts. I have been looking at Idoni's site for awhile now just dreaming of going to some of those sites. He gets around. I have some ideas for wrecks I want to check out. theron
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 6:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Wrecks Reply with quote

theronmoon wrote:
Hey Bill,

Just joined the group because my friend Taco told me about it. I'm into wrecks too. Been focusing on peakbagging of late, but now going back to wrecks, lookout towers , and rocks. I've wanted to visit that B-25 Mill Canyon wreck for awhile. Maybe we can combine efforts. I have been looking at Idoni's site for awhile now just dreaming of going to some of those sites. He gets around. I have some ideas for wrecks I want to check out. theron


I got half way down the slope to the B-25 but turned around. The Chaparral was over eight feet tall, and I couldn't find a clear route.  Had I not brought my young daughter with me, I probably would have "bulldozed" my way down the hill.

Perhaps we can make an attempt some day.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 2:19 pm    Post subject: Richard P's Message Board is back! Reply with quote

Mt. Whitney, The Sierra Nevada & Beyond... is back!  Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool!
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Well, as of this morning, it looks like it is gone again.LOL Sad
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I just tried it a second ago, and it was fine.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 11:34 am    Post subject: Kayaking the San Gabriels Reply with quote

Kayaking in the San Gabriels? Ran across this site and figured it would be of interest to you canyoneering types.
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I watched some dudes kayaking down East Fork last week. Looks like a ton of fun!
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 6:43 am    Post subject: New Crystal Lake Rec Area Website Reply with quote

There is a new website for the Crystal Lake Recreation Area. They are looking for volunteers for trail maintenance
http://www.crystallake.name/
I saw their post on http://www.summitpost.org in the Forum under California
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 7:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool. I want to get with that volunteer trail fix group. I've seen some bad places and wanted to do something but wasn't sure if it was ok to do it. Like pack a pick and shovel and dig out some washed out areas on my own. I bet they would not let that happen. I bet it has to be supervised by a ranger.
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Thanks Cy. I've been communicating with him for a while now. Good guy.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 1:10 pm    Post subject: Hiker Hell Reply with quote

I was unaware of this site, but it is chock full of true stories.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pretty cool site! maybe I should post the fashion model I ran into at JPL? Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, I thought this was going to be about New Jersey or something.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 8:27 am    Post subject: New local hiking forum Reply with quote

Perry from the San Jacinto board has set up http://www.LAtrails.Net

I'm not crazy about the splintering of all these SoCal message boards, and never been crazy about Perry as a moderator/administrator (he seems like a nice guy, but is prone to banning, editing and deleting to keep his boards squeaky clean; some people like a squeaky clean board, I don't).

The San Jacinto board is otherwise pretty good with lots of traffic.  The San Gorgonio board sucks ass.

Mebbe Taco needs to get up off his ass and get working on an ad-free all-encompassing SoCal hiking board.  Icepirates.net?

I have a lot of experience with setting up message boards and don't mind fronting the bux (it doesn't cost that much to do):

http://www.guntards.net/forum
http://www.badharvest.net
http://www.mesatactical.com/forum

Problem is there's a lot of great info on this board and I'm not sure if MyFreeForum offers any tools to back up and transfer the forum.  It wouldn't really be in their interest to do so.  FluxBB does have tools to convert phpBB to FluxBB (which is, in my humble opinion, the beast free board software out there).
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 10:34 am    Post subject: Re: New local hiking forum Reply with quote

simonov wrote:
I'm not crazy about the splintering of all these SoCal message boards, and never been crazy about Perry as a moderator/administrator (he seems like a nice guy, but is prone to banning, editing and deleting to keep his boards squeaky clean; some people like a squeaky clean board, I don't).

My perception is that Perry is very supportive of free speech and has tended to wait until things are clearly out of hand before banning anyone.  Taco's approach is similar.  I have seen obvious abuses on both boards in the past and thought both moderators dealt with them rather well.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:04 am    Post subject: Re: New local hiking forum Reply with quote

AlanK wrote:
simonov wrote:
I'm not crazy about the splintering of all these SoCal message boards, and never been crazy about Perry as a moderator/administrator (he seems like a nice guy, but is prone to banning, editing and deleting to keep his boards squeaky clean; some people like a squeaky clean board, I don't).

My perception is that Perry is very supportive of free speech and has tended to wait until things are clearly out of hand before banning anyone.  Taco's approach is similar.  I have seen obvious abuses on both boards in the past and thought both moderators dealt with them rather well.


I think Taco deals with them best by not dealing with them.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 12:35 pm    Post subject: Re: New local hiking forum Reply with quote

simonov wrote:
I'm not crazy about the splintering of all these SoCal message boards, and never been crazy about Perry as a moderator/administrator (he seems like a nice guy, but is prone to banning, editing and deleting to keep his boards squeaky clean; some people like a squeaky clean board, I don't).

I got that impression to. I actually like it. But am surprised that he allows ol Hal to post the stuff that he does. And more surprised that he asked me and not him if I knew the forum wasn't about fighting. I figure every forum is going to have it's unique ways.
I don't know who is going to participate in that forum. Seems serious hikers would go to the mountains rather than those areas. Maybe I'm unaware of some reasons but it will be fun to find out what people like.
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The San Jacinto board is otherwise pretty good with lots of traffic.  The San Gorgonio board sucks ass.

That one cracks me up! the guy named Ed.  Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 12:49 pm    Post subject: Re: New local hiking forum Reply with quote

simonov wrote:
I think Taco deals with them best by not dealing with them.


His head explodes instead.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 1:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My head has blown up instead.

I'd like to make an actual website with tons of info, with the theoretical/spiritual/whatever CENTER of this site being the forum, as people are the center of the activity.

OK, so if we make a big-damn-all-of-SoCal-board, what should it encompass? Just mountain-related, or all sports, or also offroading (I'm not against this!), etc etc?

I'm into the complete mountain experience. Climb in the winter, drive a rally-type car on otherwise quiet fire roads in the summer, swim in the summer, yadda yadda yadda, everything while treating the mountains with respect.

Throw down some ideas folks! I just don't know how to pay for it! Laughing
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TacoDelRio wrote:
OK, so if we make a big-damn-all-of-SoCal-board, what should it encompass? Just mountain-related, or all sports, or also offroading (I'm not against this!), etc etc?


I'm only interested in hiking in SoCal. I'd never seek out a forum on anything else. I might read a photography or mountain bike forum if a google search for trail info led me to it, otherwise I wouldn't seek it out. If the hiking info got buried or mixed in with other stuff to the point it is of no use, then I could see where you might lose a certain demographic. So...now you know how to get rid of me! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A seperate "forum" or subforum for each activity here, much like we have a Tralrunning one, a canyoneering/technical one, etc.

I figure if we make a total forum, it should really be "the big one", a go-to site for all SoCal mountian activities.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 4:23 pm    Post subject: Re: New local hiking forum Reply with quote

simonov wrote:
I think Taco deals with them best by not dealing with them.

Taco has had to deal with some troublemakers and he handled it well.  Ditto for Perry.  Both give posters a lot of leeway before taking punitive action.  I would say that both have handled things well, although with different styles.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TacoDelRio wrote:
A seperate "forum" or subforum for each activity here, much like we have a Tralrunning one, a canyoneering/technical one, etc.

I figure if we make a total forum, it should really be "the big one", a go-to site for all SoCal mountian activities.


Okay, I'll lay down some Forum Filosophy here and see what you folks think.

First, I think it's kind of a pain to divide forums up into lots of little subforums unless you have a SHITLOAD of traffic.  It's generally easier with a forum with our traffic level to confine most of the posts to a few busy subforums.

For example, the following subforums could easily be combined into a single forum concerning hiking and climbing in the San Gabriels and I don't think it would hurt anything:

--> General Discussion
--> Climbing, Canyoneering, & Mountaineering
--> Current Conditions
--> Flora and Fauna
--> Plans and Partners
--> Trip Reports

That leaves just:

--> Gear

(probably good as a separate forum)

--> GPS and Videos

(topics could easily be handled in the main forum, since videos are basically visual trip reports and GPS tracks are also usually associated with trip reports; discussions of GPS units and camcorders are appropriate in Gear)

--> LA Urban Hiking
--> Trail Running & Mountain Biking

(good prospects for separate forums, except no one ever posts there, though I know lots of people through OCHBC for whom urban is the only sort of hiking they do)

--> Questions and Comments

(every forum ought to have a place for forum-related meta-discussions)

--> Off Topic

(this forum is often used here for trip reports and other hiking related posts about San Gorgonio or San Jacinto, since they aren't strictly "on-topic" for the San Gabriel Mountains section, which is kind of a drag sometimes because they are about hiking and climbing and not really very "off-topic").

Forums should generally splinter into subforums as they become very busy and you need a way to break out the various discussions by subject matter.  But starting out with a highly Balkanized forum, before you have a lot of traffic, just makes the forum harder to use.


Perry's forum is actually kind of nice, because it's simple:

--> Mt. San Jacinto & Santa Rosa Mountains

--> California: Other Areas

--> General Chat

Only criticism I would make of that is that "California: Other Areas" sure covers a lot of ground.


So here is a wild-ass suggestion for a general SoCal forum based on my discussion above as well as some suggestions already made in this thread:

HIKING AND CLIMBING

--> San Gabriel Mountains

--> San Gorgonio and San Bernardino Mountains

--> San Jacinto and Santa Rosas

(frankly, there's probably no reason you couldn't just cover all three of these with a single subforum called "SoCal Climbing")

--> Desert Hiking

(again, this invites confusion: is Rabbit Peak "desert hiking" or is it "Santa Rosas?")

--> Urban

--> Elsewhere (Sierras, Alps, Himalayas, etc)

(could also just eliminate Desert Hiking and make Elsewhere mean "anywhere that isn't in the SoCal mountains or urban areas")

--> Gear

OTHER THAN YER FEET

--> Mountain and Road Biking

--> Off-road (cars and trucks, I guess)

--> Motorcycles

--> Fun with Chainsaws

(I would resist trying to cater to hunters and gun nuts because they have PLENTY of forums of their own on the interwebs; I can't imagine what people who are into fishing would talk about amongst themselves).

OTHER CRAP

--> Off-topic Chat

--> Questions, Comments and Suggestions


With Guntards.net I have combined a forum with a sort of blog (though I stopped updating the blog a year ago).  The blog format is just another way to organize content, with the only restriction being that only certain people can actually post articles to the blog; I don't know how to open up the blog software I use (Textpattern) to a large number of semi-trustworthy individuals the way SummitPost does, and I certainly can't integrate the logins of Textpattern and the forum, which would be a minimal requirement for something where users are posting blog articles as well as participating in forums.

Another (better) idea I have been working on for another site I run is instead of a separate blog, you have a front end to the site that looks a lot like a blog, but is really just displaying selected topics from the forum; the site administrator/moderator just selects topics he thinks are particularly cool and they get posted on the main page.  Then anyone who wants to comment on the post can simply join the discussion in the forum.  That allows every forum member to be a potential "blogger," at the discretion of the site administrator.

Anyway, there are some ideas.  I've set up forums and blogs in the past, and I would be happy to set up a new site for the San Gabriel Mountains forum (to be the Southern California Outdoors or whatever site), and can even front the initial costs, which are not that much.  I just don't want to be involved in running the site.

Also, I'd hate to see the information from this site go away, and I hope there is some way to transfer the database to a new site.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I try to keep my feelings out of most things.

I was a member of a forum that was really great. Talked to and met many folks from around the world. It was a survival related forum, mostly ex-Military folks from the US, UK, and Eastern Europe.

My buddy running it got his feelings in the way, and deleted the whole thing, all the posts, everything. Really not cool. Several years of work, down the drain. I use this as an example as to why an administrative body needs to be rather open and keep their emotions out of things.

I don't really have to deal with any trolls here, as we're all mature, etc. I've only "banned" spambots who never even got to post.

I'm sure any negative emotions regarding the forum are due to folks not filling out their profiles... hint hint at the few newest members. Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 8:59 pm    Post subject: Re: New local hiking forum Reply with quote

simonov wrote:
I think Taco deals with them best by not dealing with them.

I've seen Perry ban 3 people. If Taco did it was before I came around.
Nothin bothers Taco. NOTHIN. (cept maybe people who don't drink, don't cuss, don't smoke, don't climb, don't eat crap.)
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:17 pm    Post subject: Re: New local hiking forum Reply with quote

FIGHT ON wrote:
simonov wrote:
I think Taco deals with them best by not dealing with them.

I've seen Perry ban 3 people. If Taco did it was before I came around.
Nothin bothers Taco. NOTHIN. (cept maybe people who don't drink, don't cuss, don't smoke, don't climb, don't eat crap.)
And people who don't do caffeine.  Yeah, that really gets him.  But no worries, no one here would try to pull a stunt like that, now would they??
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:22 pm    Post subject: Re: New local hiking forum Reply with quote

Hikin_Jim wrote:
FIGHT ON wrote:
simonov wrote:
I think Taco deals with them best by not dealing with them.

I've seen Perry ban 3 people. If Taco did it was before I came around.
Nothin bothers Taco. NOTHIN. (cept maybe people who don't drink, don't cuss, don't smoke, don't climb, don't eat crap.)
And people who don't do caffeine.  Yeah, that really gets him.  But no worries, no one here would try to pull a stunt like that, now would they??

oh yes, we speak in tongues when that subject arises. as it does expose ones secret vainty  Embarassed

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