| Archive for San Gabriel Mountains Discussion Forum Open discussion board for activities in the San Gabriel Mountains in Southern California |
| calicokid |
Mt. Baldy RunJust curious anyone on this board will participate this year run on Sept 1st. I often see runners practiced in both Ski huts trail and the Devil backbone trail. Right now I am conditioning for it. Below is the link to info:http://www.run2top.com/info.lasso |
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| JMunaretto |
I am still not sure of my plans that weekend, but if I'm free I'll be doing it. | ||||||
| FIGHT ON |
 1:00:49 Matt Ebiner 1987
That dude was going 8 miles an hour.
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| JMunaretto |
that's just disgusting.
I would be thrilled with a sub 1:40 time. |
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| FIGHT ON |
Walk three miles an hour. and watch a tree that you pass right next to the trail. That's how fast this guy would pass you! That guy would pass you like you were standing still. And he would pass me like I was running in the opposite direction! |
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| calicokid |
And for the lady, the record is even head-shaking:
Women time: 1:15:32 Carrie Garritson (Age 11) 1988 That girl's record is only 15 minute behind the man's record |
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| AlanK |
The time is definitely impressive for an 11 year old, but women's running records are generally a lot closer to men's than 24%! For example, the women's marathon record is only 8.8% slower than the men's. Comment added later: The women's record for the Pikes Peak Marathon is 30% slower than the men's, so large disparities are not unheard-of. |
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| Hikin_Jim |
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| FIGHT ON |
I'm thinking it's because Men were the hunters and are used to running around up in the mountains. Well it makes sense to me! I bet that girl was skinner than Eric. |
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| TacoDelRio |
Widen the trail a bit and I'll race to the top in my car. I could finally have a chance at winning at something.
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| FIGHT ON |
BahHhhHhhhhhhhahahahahahahaaaaaaaaa!!!!!! |
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| JMunaretto |
man, I'm now thinking getting under 2 hrs would be a goal. 1:40 might be pushing it for me.
In theory (aka simulated run on treadmill), I could do this in 1hr 20min. Now, adding the fact that the terrain is more unstable, and the altitude, that number will increase significantly. I guess its impossible to estimate how much until I actually run it. I guess my evaluation of how I did will be to compare myself to other racers of similar build. |
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| JMunaretto |
oh, and does anyone know exactly where the race starts? I know around Manker Flats, but does it start further down the road to get the added mileage? | ||||||
| FIGHT ON |
check around in there. http://www.run2top.com/index.lasso Look at the slide show and put your mouse on the picture of the starting line. It stops it and now see if you can figure out where it is. I don't know where that sign is. anyone? anyone? I can't tell. I was trying to look at the shadows of the trees and and that structure to get a hint. I do know that dalmatians always face east when at starting lines. ohio is goin down bro. hard http://www.shopbaldy.com/summer/index.lasso |
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| Maxwell's Demon |
It starts further up the road and begins with downhill on asphalt, then makes a sharp right turn. | ||||||
| Augie |
It starts at the ski lift parking lot. It's downhill for about 1/4 mile to the white gate at Manker Flat. Your friends and family can ride the lift up (for a fee) to the notch to see you whiz by there (the 4 mile mark in the race, although far from half-way in the effort yet to expend!). See you all there. |
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| FIGHT ON |
Good luck Augie! Maybe you should camp out on top of baldy for a few days to get used to the elevation. Might not seem worth it now but once you get past Mount Harwood I bet you wish you had. 
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| Augie |
Thanks for the tip FIGHT ON. GO BRUINS! |
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| Hikin_Jim |
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| JMunaretto |
are there any camping regulations around Manker Flats? Can I just sleep in my car overnight, would anyone care? | ||||||
| FIGHT ON |
Mt. Baldy Visitor Center Mt. Baldy Road Mt. Baldy, CA 91759 (909) 982-2829 Daily 8:00 am - 4:30 pm |
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| Augie |
I've done that several times. Never been bothered. Pretty good idea if you're coming from far. By 7 am, the ski lift parking lot is getting pretty full although there's always plenty of parking. |
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| JMunaretto |
great.
well if anyone wants to meet each other at some point, i'll probably have some odd outfit on. short red shorts, blue tank top, high blue socks. good luck! |
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| Augie |
I'll look for you then. |
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| Augie |
Well, it was a great race. Beautiful weather. Had a little breeze that cleared out San Antonio Canyon. It was crystal clear on both sides of Devil's Backbone. The temp was mild throughout. Couldn't ask for better running conditions.
This year, unlike last year when I stopped a dozen times or so along the route to take photos for a TR I did for SummitPost about the run, I had a decent time, 1 hour, 38 minutes. FIGHT ON I have a further comment on your questions about where it's best to train for this race. The first 4 miles today --to the Notch-- seemed easy compared with the training runs I did in Bailey Canyon and on the Mt. Wilson Trail. Those latter two trails are much, much steeper, for the distance, than the fire road up to the Notch. Had I just done training runs to the Notch, I wouldn't have benefitted nearly as much as I did from the Bailey and Wilson trails. Now, if you trained from the Notch to the summit, it would be a different story because those sections are steeper than the utillity road. I'm getting long-winded. Anyway, I reached the Notch in a comfortable 38 minutes and took a 3-minute break there to eat a couple of banana halves, drink up, and fill up the 1/2 liter bottle I was carrying in my hand. From the Notch it took me an hour to the finish. HAPPY LABOR DAY EVERYBODY! HIKEUP, I'm sure you're as excited as I am about the big tussle at the Rose Bowl this afternoon. I must say, good job Trojans against Virginia. Sept. 13 should be an awesome game. |
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| JMunaretto |
Nice job Augie!
I ended up at 1hr 32 mins. I made it up to the notch at 41 min, a bit angrily because I stupidly took the wrong fire road initially, and had to turn around after about a min up. So I lost a few mins there and wanted to make the notch in 40 min. I must have seen you at or around the Notch...and I had long blue socks on! I felt like I couldn't maintain as high of intensity on the backbone due to the altitude and just rode long behind others. I was waiting to make a final push, and was using my altimeter to measure how far I was from the summit, and I overestimated. (I have never hiked up the backbone, only down, so I didn't know for sure). I made a huge push for the last 30 s or so passing up 8 or so people, but could have started earlier. Great race! Oh and I took some pictures along the way, will have to upload those today. |
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| Augie |
Joseph,
Terrific time! Did you sleep over at the trailhead? Well, now you know the course; next year, you can start your final push sooner and knock some minutes off your excellent time. Did you turn left instead of right at that junction before the Notch when you went off course? When I passed that junction they had monitors there. |
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| FIGHT ON |
PRETTY FAST! How many miles exactly? What were you carrying? Why are you carrying a bottle? doesn't that mess up your arm swing rhythm? Wouldn't it be better to wear a bladder mini pack? Imagine using your arms mo betta! What is it the extra weight? I read a post by Rick Kent and on one of his hikes he left his cell phone because of the weight! 
Too bad you're a bruin. I guess somebodys got to be. Can't wait to see those white and orange squares!
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| FIGHT ON |
Way to go J man! How could you go the wrong way? what is that? Were you leading the whole pack? (did you think of that 11 year old girl ) So what is that about 6mph?  Man you shoulda hiked up there on friday like I said and got familiar with the route and slept up there. Three days to acclimate.
Woulda not got lost, (2 minutes) acclimated (5 minutes) route familiarity (5 minutes) and if you add those minutes up and subtract them from your time. YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN CLOSE ENOUGH TO MAKE VISUAL CONTACT WITH THAT IMAGINARY 11 YEAR OLD GIRL! THEN WHAT WOULD YOU DO?
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| FIGHT ON |
That makes sense. I guess I was saying if you took the last four miles of Baldy, ok Take the whole trail from notch to the summit and stick it down at Bailey trail head. So everything is exactly the same except the elevation difference. How much of a difference would it make in the race if you trained only at either place? |
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| JMunaretto |
Thanks. Yes I did sleep over night, you can see my humble abode in my pics here I think it helped my not get a headache at the least, so I was glad I did it. As for the junction, there were 2 people standing there who I said hi to, and they did not say anything when I turned the wrong way. Maybe they didn't like the blue socks 
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| JMunaretto |
Well hiking the trail before wouldn't have stopped me from going the wrong way. Both fire roads link up to Baldy Notch, and the one I took was the one I have taken down before when heading down from Baldy. I never knew where the other one (the right one) went before. I wasn't leading the whole pack , but there was a good bit of distance between me and whoever was in front of me, I didn't pay attention to where they went. At least it wasn't a huge loss!
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| JMunaretto |
Oh! And as you can see from my pics, I saw Dan Simpson from Dan's Hiking Pages. I recognized him immediately and shouted out "YEAH! IT'S DAN SIMPSON!!!" lol. He was totally shocked but appreciative. Then I took a pic with him on the way down.
Also I met Cy and Ellen before the start of the race. Its like I met all the stars of SoCal Hiking. 
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| Tim |
Man, you slept in your Civic's trunk with the back down? That's not a bad idea. I'm gonna have to steal that idea!
Good job on the time! |
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| TacoDelRio |
Dude top stuff! | ||||||
| Augie |
FIGHT ON did you see that game last night? Doesn't get much better than that. Hopefully, the Bruins will continue this course and set up the makings of a great cross-town game this year. As for your questions. It's an 8-mile course with 4,000 feet of gain. Because of the weather forecast for coolness, I carried a very light fanny pack and had in it a very thin windbreaker and my car keys. I didn't need my windbreaker when I reached the top but it sure came in handy at the start area because it was chilly and people who were just in their running tops were shivering while waiting for the race to start. In my hand I carried a 1/2 liter plastic water bottle. Why not a mini-bladder? You don't need that much water on this short a course. In ultra-marathons, I definitely carry a 3-litter bladder. Anyway, the water in my little bottle is to hold me between water stops. On the Baldy course, the water stops are every 2 miles (so there are 3). I carry it in my hand instead in my fanny pack for obvious reasons. Plus, when I put a water bottle in a fanny pack, it bounces up and down in the pack and I don't like that sensation. CARRYING A LIGHT BOTTLE LIKE THAT DOES NOT EFFECT ARM SWING/RHYTHM WHATSOEVER. My bottle is a little heavier than a baton carried in a relay, but I really don't feel it. So when are we gonna see you out on the running trail? |
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| JMunaretto |
I had a liter of water with some gatorade crap in it in a really small camelbak that fit snugly on my back, as I need a lot of water and it worked perfectly. I prefer the camelbak as its less hassle to drink and placed closer to torso (less movement). I also packed a windbreaker which I agree was more important at the start.
and I ended up carrying my cell phone the whole time in my hand to take pictures. worked out pretty well |
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| Hikin_Jim |
Did you notice Dan Simpson's T shirt? It says "Local Hikes" and has the http://www.localhikes.com/ logo on it. Lol. The local internet really turned out.
Cy's quite the character. He did the Skyline Trail out by Palm Springs before there was a tram. The tram was built around '61. Very few of us can make that claim. His business cards from the '60's have been found in remote desert peak register cans recently. He likes to get 10k feet of gain per week "just to stay in shape." You rock, Cy. |
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| Augie |
I need to correct my time for this year. It was 1:39 and not 1:38.
By the way, Joseph, don't you think the T-Shirt design for this year was really cool? |
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| FIGHT ON |
congrats. Sounds like you thought all this through already. Makes sense. Thanks. Ya I was there. Broke up three fights, listened to the stupid alumni cheerleader again, and again, and again, every man woman and child, 8 clap, A....C...L....U... ACLU FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT! I hate that guy. this happens every year, aclu gets pegged as a national contender and then they just............ well you know! Did you see the polls today? oh yeah! both polls sucka! You gotta feel sorry for that vol kicker but that's college football!
I can't even put weight on my foot without pain. My wife calls me Frankenstein. You might see me out there. But I am in no shape to run. I would like to run,hike,walk,crawl it someday though. I've been trying to find out what Perrys time is. Are results posted somewhere yet? Thanks again for the info. |
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| JMunaretto |
I definitely like the t-shirt. Glad I bought one! |
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| Augie |
FIGHT ON, what happened to your foot? | ||||||
| AlanK |
2008 Mt. Baldy run results | ||||||
| Hikin_Jim |
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| FIGHT ON |
Thanks Jim, Very depressing. 
Amazing how such a small part of the body makes so much difference. The body is an amazing thing. I'm going insane. Ellen, I feel your pain! good thing the smt is 54 miles instead of 53!
You ever sprained your ankle real bad? I mean real bad. |
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| Maxwell's Demon |
Fight On, You may find that you can mountain bike sooner than hiking again. So at least that's getting outdoors. Fun downhills too. | ||||||
| JMunaretto |
http://runtothetopphotos.ifp3.com/
oh yeah look at the pain! 
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| FIGHT ON |
Gotta do something soon.  I have two mountain bikes but they don't have shocks. Not fun using my knees for absorbers anymore going downhill. I guess this type of thing just has to take its time. At least I have a foot. Can you imagine not having a foot?
When ever I catch myself complaining, about anything, I watch this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obdd31Q9PqA Puts things in perspective real quick. Ya, sure my foot hurts, but at least I have one. Guess I'll live with it for a while.
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| Augie |
Nice shot Joseph. Yah, I recognize the pain on the guy's face. | ||||||
| FIGHT ON |
Augie, Looks like J had too much left at the end. You think he coulda had a faster time? Wait till you see the pain after next Saturdays game with SC!
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| Ellen |
Ankle injuryHowdy Fight On,I'm so sorry you're injured -- my heart goes out to you I stayed sane during my 4 month recovery by reading hiking posts and working out on a recumbant bike in physical therapy. I transfered to the stairmaster after that and then hiking.
I sprained my left ankle (yep, same one) badly while running years ago. I tore the anterior talofibular ligament, even pulled off a piece of bone. I used a stationary bike for aobut 10 days. I was able to run with the ankle taped by an athletic trainer after that time. I also hit the physical therapy hard to stablize the joint. Also used ice and galvanic stimulation to reduce the swelling. When I hiked up the 100 switchbacks on Whitney, I thought about a guy I met in physical therapy who had lost his foot in an industrial accident. He was an inspiration. Best wishes for a speedy recovery 
Miles of smiles, Ellen |
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| JMunaretto |
Fight On, maybe you should go to......THE GYM I know, the horror, the horror!!!
As for the finish, I did have too much left. Not much, but still too much. I planned on pushing the last 5 minutes, but didn't estimate the timing right. Waited too long. People on top were yelling as I passed people at the end, but I could have gone earlier. Now I know better. Next year, I'm shooting for 1:25. |
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| FIGHT ON |
Re: Ankle injury
Thanks Ellen, those are very kind words coming from a person to whom I have not been very ..... what's that word Jim? diplomatic? to.
I am not joking, Thank you Ellen.
I keep thinking about how you were out for that time and I know hiking isn't your only thing but not being able to do hardly anything, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T EVEN WALK, is crazy. You must have gone nuts. I didn't pull of any pieces of bones and didn't break any,(i waited like a week and a half before I got x rays. ) WHAT? I thought it was gonna go away! I think I ripped the same anterior talofibular ligament and maybe something that goes around my heel. Said the foot doc.
How long did it take your sprain to heal. I am afraid that I have weakened my whole ankle and it could happen again. Wouldn't that be nice! Might as well just twist the whole sucker right off and be done with it! Is there some exercises that I can do after it heals to make it so strong like iron so it doesn't happen again? Maybe like those body lifts you do with your toes on a 2x4 with weights on your shoulders and you go up and down with your heels touching the ground and then up except sideways. I doubt I will be jammin down a trail at 10 pm and twisting my body to the right, planting my foot on the edge of some asphalt often but it would be nice to have super strong ankles. It's been like 18 days now, I am able to limp around and almost walk normally. I can wait. One thing I was thinking is that the longer I'm not hiking the more it will be like the first time when I discovered how beautiful it is up there when I can go back. Can't wait, just to be able to walk up there again. Just to be up there. I guess I started to get used to it. Pretty nice Ellen, Thanks! |
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| FIGHT ON |
I bet you could get close to 1:20 if you at least once every two months ran it. You would be so familiar with it by next year. KNOWING the route is HUGE. Ask Perry how well he knows Skyline. I ain't gonna go to some smelly gym. Life is too short. But thanks anyway.
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| Augie |
I think he could have gone faster. The long blue stockings slowed him down! |
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| FIGHT ON |
Yep! They weigh more than the short ones. More wind resistance unless you got really hairy legs. People keep making comments about them during the race distracts you from concentrating on the little tiny 11 year old girl that just passed your butt up. And they look like you a Bruin.
Get rid of em! |
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| JMunaretto |
Yes! Dan Simpson posted a ton of pictures from the race here: http://sports.webshots.com/album/566562880SWREPY/
He got one just as I was starting to point out my hand yelling "Hey its Dan Simpson" lol 
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