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Fire burning in Angeles Forest above Azusa

Fire burning in Angeles Forest above Azusa
Pasadena Star-News - ‎8 minutes ago‎

Posted: 08/25/2009 04:57:29 PM PDT

ANGELES NATIONAL FOREST - A large fire is burning in the Angeles National Forest north of Azusa.

The fire is on both sides of Highway 39 and firefighters with the Angeles National Fire Service are combating it, Los Angeles County Fire Department spokesman Fred Stowers said.

Between 25 and 50 acres have burned so far near Morris Dam.

County fire also has helicopters, ground crews and engines assisting, Stowers said. The fire, which started around 4:30 p.m., appears to be moving north, Stowers said.

Highway 39 is closed in both directions.

The cause is under investigation.
cougarmagic

Not cool, not at all.  Towercam is looking right at it:
[url]
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~obs/towercam.htm[/url]

Huh...what a coincidence that a fire was started right as a few days of hot dry weather sets in.  

I realize it's almost impossible to prevent arson.  But the ones they catch should be drawn and quartered, publicly.
lilbitmo

cougarmagic wrote:
Not cool, not at all.  Towercam is looking right at it:
[url]
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~obs/towercam.htm[/url]

Huh...what a coincidence that a fire was started right as a few days of hot dry weather sets in.  

I realize it's almost impossible to prevent arson.  But the ones they catch should be drawn and quartered, publicly.


And the meat should be hung next to one of your camera's so we can get more shots of the "cougars"  Very Happy Now that would be "Just" punishment Very Happy
Hikin_Jim

lilbitmo wrote:
cougarmagic wrote:
Not cool, not at all.  Towercam is looking right at it:
[url]
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~obs/towercam.htm[/url]

Huh...what a coincidence that a fire was started right as a few days of hot dry weather sets in.  

I realize it's almost impossible to prevent arson.  But the ones they catch should be drawn and quartered, publicly.


And the meat should be hung next to one of your camera's so we can get more shots of the "cougars"  Very Happy Now that would be "Just" punishment Very Happy
Laughing
Mike P

Very impressive header above my house in Glendora...

Keep us posted, Fred!
HikeUp

http://www.inciweb.org/incident/1852/
cougarmagic

Thanks for the updates!!  I love our fire crews.  Simply amazing.
AW

Adios amigos is what I say...good luck fighting this bad boy. Once it gets to Pine Mtn all bets are off!
Mike P

AW wrote:
Adios amigos is what I say...good luck fighting this bad boy. Once it gets to Pine Mtn all bets are off!

Didn't some of this area burn in the Roberts Fire about 8-10 years ago and then again in the Curve Fire in 2002???
Mike P

The wind has shifted almost 180°.  It is very smoky in Glendora.
mattmaxon

MODIS fire detections
mattmaxon

DamOTclese wrote:
I'm not sure when the Red Box Canyon area and West of Morris might have burned last.


9/8/1957

I check again but that appears to be the most recent date

Matt
mattmaxon

mattmaxon wrote:
DamOTclese wrote:
I'm not sure when the Red Box Canyon area and West of Morris might have burned last.


9/8/1957

I check again but that appears to be the most recent date

Matt


Sorry try 8/24/1996 Reservoir fire 1,465 Ac, very similar to this fire
mattmaxon

DamOTclese wrote:
The smoke in Azusa, Glendora, San Dimas on the ground almost looks like fog.


I guess the training for Badwater to Whitney is out for today  Wink

Ug!

You getting any ash?
Mike P

The ashfall isn't too bad considering the poor visibility.
mattmaxon

Inciweb Link

http://inciweb.org/incident/1852/
outwhere

Outta curiosity - and ignorance - but why do they say the fire is only 10% contained at this point [9am Wednesday] - to the average Joe like myself, it looks much more in control than that [going by tv/mt wilson cam sightings]...

What am I not taking into account?
mattmaxon

outwhere wrote:
Outta curiosity - and ignorance - but why do they say the fire is only 10% contained at this point [9am Wednesday] - to the average Joe like myself, it looks much more in control than that [going by tv/mt wilson cam sightings]...

What am I not taking into account?


Those containment figures are a line on the ground around the fire

You see those handcrews and firefighting bulldozers must cut a line down to mineral soil around the perimeter of the fire to consider it 100% contained.

Contained does not mean extinguished

These things can smolder for months until a good rain finally extinguishes it completely.

It's kinda a meaningless figure to me...
outwhere

Excellent info, Thanks for that MattMaxon!
calicokid

The smoke is thick and choking us in Monrovia this morning.  The ash is not bad but the air is nasty.  Hope for some breeze to move the smoke out of the valley.  However, wind could be bad for fire fighters.
mattmaxon

Didn't really notice it on the way in the AM at 5:30 but there is lots-O-Smoke here in "Beautiful downtown Burbank" uck!
mattmaxon

This view shows the perimeter of the 8/24/1996 fire and the MODIS detections overlaid on GE with USGS 24K topo

AW

outwhere wrote:
Outta curiosity - and ignorance - but why do they say the fire is only 10% contained at this point [9am Wednesday] - to the average Joe like myself, it looks much more in control than that [going by tv/mt wilson cam sightings]...

What am I not taking into account?


This fire is basically zero percent controlled. It hasnt gone past the old firebreak to the west but thats because its not burning in that direction. If it wants to it will. The deal is if this makes it up Pine Mtn(via Browns Gluch) then my bet will be it jumps Redbox-Rincon. Then it burns along the west fork area uncontrolled. It could easily nab the San Gabriel wilderness......also will likely come back across to the Front Range-Monrovia?Its way too early, with that horrible forecast predicted for winds and heat.

Right now, of course our thoughts are with the firefighters. I cant even imagine how hot or dangerous it is next to that fire...jeez...those flames look like they reach hundreds of feet...I do not envy their task one bit and I hope they prove me wrong...but yeah, if someone is a homeowner west of this fire they should be on nervous.
mattmaxon

Nice LA Times photo

Mike P

~3:00 pm the fire roared up the western side of Glendora Peak (Garcia Canyon area?) and crept down the eastern side. Air support helped tamp it down before it headed down into Little Dalton Canyon. The front of the fire is burning into the Curve Fire area of seven years ago.

Would not want to see this thing go back into the Crystal Lake area.... Is it a possibility?

I think AW made an excellent point regarding the westward advancement of the Morris Fire. When was the last time the north slope of Wilson burned? There is a lot of important old growth stands there...
hikehigh

makes a good sunrise:
mattmaxon

DamOTclese wrote:

So now resources have to be diverted to go hoof it in and collect them.


Why?
AlanK

DamOTclese wrote:
Confused  The Nanny State saving us from ourselves.

So, then, isn't trying to put out forest fires a Nanny State activity?  Let 'em burn, right?
mattmaxon

I was a busy bee

I downloaded and georegistered the perimeter map on the inciweb page, traced the perimeter and uploaded it here, you can download and play to your hearts content

http://www.everytrail.com/view_trip.php?trip_id=332165

Alternately this image shows it quite well




TacoDelRio

Cool map, Matt.
AlanK

DamOTclese wrote:
AlanK wrote:
DamOTclese wrote:
Confused  The Nanny State saving us from ourselves.
So, then, isn't trying to put out forest fires a Nanny State activity?  Let 'em burn, right?

Are you nuts?!

I would rather keep my sanity out of this thread.  Smile

I honestly wanted to understand the logic that has rescuing human beings in trouble (even stupid ones) being a symptom of a Nanny State while trying to stop nature from doing it's thing is not.  Both are trying to save us from ourselves.  In both cases, there would be no need for the government services if we all stayed out of the wilderness.

For the record, I am in favor of fighting fires and helping human beings in trouble (even stupid ones).  Nothing wrong with sending a bill in the latter case, of course.  Smile
AW

Awesome job on this one. Snuffed out any threat to Browns Gulch and handled the fire on the other side.

Now there are 5 new canyon routes for a little bit of time ..hehe...there is a tall waterfall in one of them.
lakenyon

My apologies if this was already addressed elsewhere in this forum, but does anyone have a first-hand report of the current air quality in the Baldy area?
RichardK

Baldy air quality

We were on Baldy today Saturday Aug. 29 via the Ski Hut trail.  Air was good - no smoke.
AlanK

I was on Baldy today too -- hit the summit at 1 PM.  I second Richard's comment about clear air.  The Morris fire was hardly noticeable.  The Station fire was huge.

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