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Caltrans considering a new plan to reopen Highway 39

Caltrans considering a new plan to reopen Highway 39 all the way to Wrightwood

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Congestion in the North, West and East forks of the San Gabriel River popular recreation spots during summer and fall would be relieved by completing the loop to Highway 2, moving people and traffic through Wrightwood, a quaint mountain town, and connecting to the high-desert communities.
psykokid

About dam time.. Would be nice to not have to drive all the way around to access BP and the environs.
Z

Ridiculous. There is no benefit to access to Wrightwood, as it is already faster to take 210 - 15 - 138 to get there than it would be up the slower, curvy, steep mountainous 39 - 2 route.

The only benefit would be a 10-20 minute drop in time for people in Azusa / Glendora to get up to the upper ACH trailheads (i.e. Waterman, Kratka, Islip, etc...). Other cities west it would be faster to access ACH from La Canada anyways.
Sean

Z wrote:
Ridiculous. There is no benefit to access to Wrightwood, as it is already faster to take 210 - 15 - 138 to get there than it would be up the slower, curvy, steep mountainous 39 - 2 route.


What about during rush hours? A lot of people take the AFH to Palmdale to avoid the 5 freeway. Maybe some would take 39 to bypass Cajon Pass.
AW

Z wrote:
Other cities west it would be faster to access ACH from La Canada anyways.


Relying on one narrow mountain highway, when you have another one built is plain loco. Another one whose missing segment that is technically illegal to be on I should mention.

Id say a deal is in order, where Caltrans agrees to spend $X each year on the highway 39, and any unused funds get saved. If it does rain this year, you can forget about the last segment, and the possibility of a long closure of the segments affected by the recent fires....but if we dont get any damage by April, they should start up Highway 39.
Hikin_Jim

You've got to be kidding.  Hwy 39 is technically infeasible unless you're going to be willing to spend a lot of money -- as in rebuilding the highway nearly every year.

The West face of Mount Islip is one big land slide.  Well, OK, not quite, but pretty close.  It's constant rock fall along there.  

If they really need a highway in there, they need to go over Windy Gap and abandon Islip Saddle as a route.

HJ
Z

Just because something is partially built, doesn't mean you have to keep it up. It doesn't make financial sense. The phrase "cut your losses" applies here.

These mountain roads aren't intended to be congestion-reducing throughputs, they are to provide access to nature. Constant costly upkeep of upper 39 in order to save some people 10 minutes off their drive to nature is not something taxpayers should paying for. If you wanted to make it a toll road, maybe. But I doubt that would work as the "demand" for it is fake.
AW

Z wrote:
Just because something is partially built, doesn't mean you have to keep it up. It doesn't make financial sense. The phrase "cut your losses" applies here.

These mountain roads aren't intended to be congestion-reducing throughputs, they are to provide access to nature. Constant costly upkeep of upper 39 in order to save some people 10 minutes off their drive to nature is not something taxpayers should paying for. If you wanted to make it a toll road, maybe. But I doubt that would work as the "demand" for it is fake.


We'll see. They thought they were going to get away with closing Hwy39 at West Fork and then they thought they were going to get away with closing Hwy39 at the Valley of the Moon. A whole generation of wasted time, but just in time for the eastern half of the forest to be saved from the Station Fire.

Cant blame them I guess...they got away with not fixing GMR for 30 years with the same lies. And then a few months later its lasted for 10+ years with no incidents thus far. Granted it might be confusing which was the unnecessary one..GMR or Hwy39? Hwy 2 or Hwy 39? If we are going by cost, Hwy2 should have been abandoned a log time ago. In fact, the #2 from Little Jimmy eastward with that crackerjack coating they spent millions on looks like someone travelled it pogo-ing every which way with a jackhammer(OK it was likely the rock runs). Is the centerline still visible?
Gene

It may be a straw man ploy to get funding:

"We need a lot of funding to fix this route, but hey, we can save $.02 by cutting thru a protected area."
RichardK

Read the article carefully. It does not say that any course of action is definite.

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We are preparing the engineering design and environmental studies in support of this effort, said Lauren Wonder, a Caltrans spokeswoman, in an email.


They aren't actually doing a design or studies. They are just "preparing" to do them.  It sounds like a smoke screen. The various city governments in the area are clamoring for the road to re-open. So, Caltrans makes like it is doing something just to shut them up.

If anything half way concrete appears, expect an avalanche of environmental law suits over the impact to Nelson's Bighorns.

I will be dead of old age first.
robow8

My brother is a civil engineer for caltrans. I'll have to ask him about it.
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