mattmaxon
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Angeles ClosedNorion just announced the south portion of the angeles is closed
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Hikin_Jim
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Re: Angeles Closed | mattmaxon wrote: | | Norion just announced the south portion of the angeles is closed |
Norion?
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edenooch
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hasnt it been closed?
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mattmaxon
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Re: Angeles Closed | Hikin_Jim wrote: | | mattmaxon wrote: | | Norion just announced the south portion of the angeles is closed |
Norion? |
Jody Norion the forest Supervisor
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mattmaxon
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| edenooch wrote: | | hasnt it been closed? |
The western half of the south portion only
this now closes the entire southern portion of the Angeles
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Hikin_Jim
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| mattmaxon wrote: | | edenooch wrote: | | hasnt it been closed? |
The western half of the south portion only
this now closes the entire southern portion of the Angeles |
It's not particularly clear on the Angeles NF website. Threre's an order dtd Aug 30th announcing a closure: http://www.fs.fed.us/r5/angeles/o...tationFireClosureMap-01-09-06.pdf
Is this the area now closed?
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mattmaxon
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| Hikin_Jim wrote: | | mattmaxon wrote: | | edenooch wrote: | | hasnt it been closed? |
The western half of the south portion only
this now closes the entire southern portion of the Angeles |
It's not particularly clear on the Angeles NF website. Threre's an order dtd Aug 30th announcing a closure: http://www.fs.fed.us/r5/angeles/orders/StationFireClosureMap-01-09-06.pdf
Is this the area now closed? |
That map is OLD news
The entire southern portion is closed from I-15 to SR 14 at a minimum
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Hikin_Jim
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| mattmaxon wrote: | | Hikin_Jim wrote: | | mattmaxon wrote: | | edenooch wrote: | | hasnt it been closed? |
The western half of the south portion only
this now closes the entire southern portion of the Angeles |
It's not particularly clear on the Angeles NF website. Threre's an order dtd Aug 30th announcing a closure: http://www.fs.fed.us/r5/angeles/orders/StationFireClosureMap-01-09-06.pdf
Is this the area now closed? |
That map is OLD news
The entire southern portion is closed from I-15 to SR 14 at a minimum |
Wow. So even Baldy, Stockton Flat, etc? Extreme. Guess they can't take the chance of another fire starting. No resources.
I take it that Burkhart Trail, S Fork Trail, stuff out of Wrightwood, etc. are still open?
I wish they'd keep their freakin' website up to date.
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mattmaxon
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| Hikin_Jim wrote: | | I take it that Burkhart Trail, S Fork Trail, stuff out of Wrightwood, etc. are still open? |
It is my "mis"-understanding the entire SOUTHERN part of the Angeles National Forest is closed
Those trails are in the southern angeles so they are closed
| Hikin_Jim wrote: | | I wish they'd keep their freakin' website up to date. |
Yup this is my pet peeve with them....
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edenooch
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the only way to access the burkhart trail would be from its end at devils punchbowl......this park is also closed!!!! 
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Hikin_Jim
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| mattmaxon wrote: | | Hikin_Jim wrote: | | I take it that Burkhart Trail, S Fork Trail, stuff out of Wrightwood, etc. are still open? |
It is my "mis"-understanding the entire SOUTHERN part of the Angeles National Forest is closed.
Those trails are in the southern angeles so they are closed. |
Wait, wait, wait a minute. Just exactly what counts as the "southern" part of the Angeles? I was taking "southern" literally that everything south of the Angeles Crest would be closed but everything north (that isn't otherwise closed) would be open, although the entire ACH would be closed. It seems to me that your're saying the entire ANF that lies somewhat south but very much east of Hwy 14 is closed.  Please tell me that I'm wrong. 
How about the SBNF portion of the San Gabs? Closed too?
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AlanK
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I have seen no mention of a closure of anything east of the Morris Fire area.
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AW
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"Angeles National Forest entire eastern main body of the Angeles National Forest will be closed effective 6:00 p.m. tonight until full containment of the Station Fire"
source:http://inciweb.org/incident/1856/
"The fire has moved into the San Gabriel wilderness and has been making active runs through various drainages in the area"
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AlanK
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| AW wrote: | "Angeles National Forest entire eastern main body of the Angeles National Forest will be closed effective 6:00 p.m. tonight until full containment of the Station Fire"
source:http://inciweb.org/incident/1856/ |
OK, clear enough.
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Hikin_Jim
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| AlanK wrote: | | AW wrote: | "Angeles National Forest entire eastern main body of the Angeles National Forest will be closed effective 6:00 p.m. tonight until full containment of the Station Fire"
source:http://inciweb.org/incident/1856/ |
OK, clear enough. |
Hey, we have until 6:00 tonight! Let's get out there!
(sorry, gallows humor)
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HikeUp
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| AW wrote: | "Angeles National Forest entire eastern main body of the Angeles National Forest will be closed effective 6:00 p.m. tonight until full containment of the Station Fire"
source:http://inciweb.org/incident/1856/
"The fire has moved into the San Gabriel wilderness and has been making active runs through various drainages in the area" |
Oh. So by southern, Matt meant eastern. Clear as a bell! 
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AlanK
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| HikeUp wrote: | | Oh. So by southern, Matt meant eastern. Clear as a bell! |
I assumed that Matt meant all of the ANF except for the rather sizable Santa Clara piece to the north and west of the San Gabriels. I was hoping that Matt was wrong. Alas, he was evidently right.
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HikeUp
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| AlanK wrote: | | HikeUp wrote: | | Oh. So by southern, Matt meant eastern. Clear as a bell! |
I assumed that Matt meant all of the ANF except for the rather sizable Santa Clara piece to the north and west of the San Gabriels. I was hoping that Matt was wrong. Alas, he was evidently right. |
Yes, I kind of had figured out what he had meant by southern. The area in question is indeed both south and east of the the open part of the ANF.
It's good to see that most information being quoted here is at least accompanied by a source and is not pure conjecture and hearsay!
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mattmaxon
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| HikeUp wrote: | | AlanK wrote: | | HikeUp wrote: | | Oh. So by southern, Matt meant eastern. Clear as a bell! |
I assumed that Matt meant all of the ANF except for the rather sizable Santa Clara piece to the north and west of the San Gabriels. I was hoping that Matt was wrong. Alas, he was evidently right. |
Yes, I kind of had figured out what he had meant by southern. The area in question is indeed both south and east of the the open part of the ANF.
It's good to see that most information being quoted here is at least accompanied by a source and is not pure conjecture and hearsay! |
I guess this is what I get for directly quoting the Forest Supervisor!
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AlanK
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| mattmaxon wrote: | | HikeUp wrote: | | AlanK wrote: | | HikeUp wrote: | | Oh. So by southern, Matt meant eastern. Clear as a bell! |
I assumed that Matt meant all of the ANF except for the rather sizable Santa Clara piece to the north and west of the San Gabriels. I was hoping that Matt was wrong. Alas, he was evidently right. |
Yes, I kind of had figured out what he had meant by southern. The area in question is indeed both south and east of the the open part of the ANF.
It's good to see that most information being quoted here is at least accompanied by a source and is not pure conjecture and hearsay! |
I guess this is what I get for directly quoting the Forest Supervisor! |
That'll teach you, Matt!
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HikeUp
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LOL!
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cougarmagic
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Well there's yer problem right there. They have the map turned sideways. No wonder they can't contain this thing. Dumping water all over Barstow!
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mattmaxon
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| cougarmagic wrote: | | Well there's yer problem right there. They have the map turned sideways. No wonder they can't contain this thing. Dumping water all over Barstow! |
Stop it it you're killing me!
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Hikin_Jim
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OK, so the order is now up on the FS site. It's official. 
http://www.fs.fed.us/r5/angeles/o...FireAreaClosureOrder-01-09-07.pdf
I notice that it's signed by Martin Dumpis and that it says "Acting Forest Supervisor" below his signature. Sounds like Ms. Norion may truly have gotten overwhelmed.
Map of the area closed
I can't tell from the crummy map if the SBNF portion is open or not.
The written description doen't really clear it up.
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