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Hikin_Jim
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 8:18 pm    Post subject: Water Sources at the Ski Hut  Reply with quote

There was some discussion recently about water sources near the San Antonio ski hut.  I went up there yesterday to refresh my memory and take some photos.   Full Trip Report here.

It was also "old home week" of sorts:  I ran into Yeti (Jeff), Shin, Asbufra, Patrick, Norma, and JeffH who are all people who post on the local internet forums or Facebook.

Here's the scoop:
There are three sources of water near the ski hut.  Take a look at this satellite photo.
A is a spring before you reach the ski hut.  The position of "A" is approximate.
B is the gully you cross before you reach the ski hut
C is San Antonio Creek which is just slightly past where you would turn off the main trail to get to the ski hut.
D is San Antonio ski hut itself
E is the relatively shallow gully east of the ski hut.  If you look carefully just a bit to the left (west) of point "E," you can see the ski hut's outhouse.

DETAILS OF WATER SOURCES
As you ascend from Manker Flats, you will first cross the small trickle that is the outflow from spring at point "A" on the satellite photo.

There's not a lot of water, but it is flowing.  I feel pretty comfortable drinking from this source untreated.

After passing the water from the spring, you'll climb a bit more and very quickly cross a small gully which is flowing reasonably well, not a lot, but more than the spring.  This is marked as point "B" on the satellite photo.

I feel somewhat uncomfortable drinking from this source untreated, but more on that later.

Finally, you'll climb a bit more until you draw more or less abreast of the ski hut which you'll see from the main Baldy Bowl Trail off to your right (east) as you ascend.


Just past where you'd turn off to go to the ski hut, you'll cross a fairly major drainage which is flowing better than either of the other two water sources.

This is San Antonio Creek which flows down San Antonio Canyon and goes over San Antonio Falls which is the major falls that you passed on your way in.  This is point "C" on the satellite map.  I feel pretty comfortable drinking from this water source untreated.

DISCUSSION
I've indicated that I'd drink from "A" and "C" untreated but not "B."  Why?

Well, "B" sits in a gully below the ski hut's outhouse.  The gully you see in this photo...

...is the same gully that crosses the trail below the ski hut.  In the photo, you can see the outhouse perched just above the gully.

You can see the gully where it crosses the trail in the below photo where I've marked the gully as "Creek Bed".  I've circled the willows in the creek bed.  To the right of the circled willows, I've circled a hiker who is standing at approximately where the water crosses the trail.

Notice also that there is an intervening ridge that separates the spring from the gully below the outhouse.  The chance of that spring being contaminated by the outhouse is virtually nil.

Now where is that water in that gully below the outhouse coming from?  Well, it's actually water from San Antonio Creek.  The ski hut has a pipe that takes water from above the ski hut, presumably from San Antonio Creek .  That pipe flows continuously into the sink inside the hut.  The outflow of the sink flows via another pipe into the gully below the outhouse.  So, really, the water in the gully below the outhouse is good water, BUT someone could contaminate that water by dumping something down the sink inside the ski hut or contamination from the outhouse could occur.  Probably the water is just fine, but since there are two other sources nearby, I prefer to avoid the water in the gully below the outhouse.

The water in San Antonio Creek could become contaminated if someone were to go upstream, but there haven't been any problems so far that I'm aware of.

Probably the safest source is the first one, the spring.


Hope this clears things up.

HJ

P.S.  Heck of a nice day for hiking yesterday.


The hut itself looked like it was in good shape.


Great day for a picnic too.  Smile


Happy trails to one and all.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Awesome post. Thanks for the lowdown.
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Hikin_Jim
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 7:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi, Dav,

Thanks.  It was a really nice day to be out on the mountain.

I saw some canyoneering types at SA falls on the way out.  I was wondering if it were anyone I knew.













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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice meeting you and Joyce, and thanks for the food sample!
We drank from and filled up at the stream just past the hut where the trail crosses over to the "rock garden" section.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey, Jeff,

Great to meet you.  I guess I stand out a little bit -- not too many other guys schlepping a 3 year old up the side of a mountain.  Laughing

I thought the mexican rice with chicken I served you was OK, but just OK.  First time I had tried it.   Next time you run into me, I hope I'll be trying something better or doing one of my specialties.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 3:29 pm    Post subject: late fall Reply with quote

Excellent info, thanks, Jim!

There's the question of whether you can ever get stuck without water there in late fall, in a dry year. I was there Sep. 2, 2012, which was early fall in a year of extremely low snow, and there was good flow. I talked about this to Pavel, who is local, has a key to the hut, and spends a lot of time there. He says that the water never stops flowing through the hut all year, even in a dry year (the sink doesn't even have taps to shut it off!), but that in exceptional conditions the flow outside may sometimes get very weak and be difficult to collect. I don't know if this applies to all the spots you described. I think basically the hut's pipes divert a bunch of the water and then spill it back out somewhere downhill.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 6:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

you guys dont just take a couple waterbottles? When i go there, even the long way from the village, i have more than enough water if i bring 2 24oz and my 1 handheld 20oz.   ive never even thought of refilling anywhere, and that was taking the long way in late june and early july. You must be some thirsty people!
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

everyday wrote:
you guys dont just take a couple waterbottles? When i go there, even the long way from the village, i have more than enough water if i bring 2 24oz and my 1 handheld 20oz.   ive never even thought of refilling anywhere, and that was taking the long way in late june and early july. You must be some thirsty people!


Wow, that's over 4 lbs of water! Why would you want to carry all that extra weight for no reason? If I'm doing Baldy via the ski hut, typically I would carry a single 12-oz water bottle, refilling it if necessary.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 8:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

it doesnt seem heavy to me at all. but im used to running with water.and i dont bring anything else with me , except a sandwich and some cashews and chapstick. my pack is normally waaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyy smaller than the ones i see  hikers carry. its only weight is the water, theres nothing else in it after i eat at the top. and all the water is almost gone by then  too, so my run down is with a totally empty tiny running pack.
on runs at home, i carry only some juice, i do fill up at the creeks where I live and carry less with me. but theres tons of water there everywhere so no worries , even in summer


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