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PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 4:38 pm    Post subject: Annual Winter Mountaineering Clinic  Reply with quote

UPDATE 20141226: Please note that this thread is old, but the info is the same. I've changed the title from 2014 to Annual to make a bit more sense.

For 2015, the projected date is January 17. This will change if we do not receive enough snow. Deja vu!

Original post follows:

Much of this thread will be rather informal, but I will post up details when it's all worked out.

Projected date is sometime in the middle of January. What really matters is that conditions are right. I will try to post a week or more in advance, but conditions and terrain dictate.

Anywho, the gist of it is that a large group of us will be doing all kinds of winter mountaineering training in Baldy Bowl, from self-arrest to roped travel etc. Nobody is certified (yet), insured, whatever. We are good friends getting together to work on skills, learn, and have a good time together. If this sounds cool to you, read on.

I am going to be training with a handful of friends, so again this will be an informal event where you can go with these people over here and learn self-arrest, or these guys over here, or whatever. I figure we will have everyone meet at the Ski Hut and I will stand on my soap box and preach about the activities, and who is doing what.

I am also thinking of staying at the Ski Hut overnight, as I've never spent the night there and that's way cooler than bivying, which is for suckers. Wink

I'm pretty excited to do this. Smile

Past event: http://sangabrielmnts.myfreeforum....html&highlight=winter+clinic


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

=) I can help carry the soap box,dutch oven and hand grenades. Anything you need kind sir.
Here is a positive outlook for a great upcoming winter season!
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If "self arrest" only brings up a thought of perhaps arresting yourself before the police get there, to make it easy, ....I would guess this might not be a place for ones first time mountaineering?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 9:04 pm    Post subject: Re: 2014 Winter Mountaineering Clinic Reply with quote

Taco wrote:
at the Ski Hut and I will stand on my soap box and preach about the activities, and who is doing what.

Laughing  Laughing  Laughing

Taco, this scene is classic enough already..... but what about throwin' on one of those stove pipe hats... i think it would complete a fine picture  Wink besides, i think if you stand on a soap box, you HAVE to wear a stove pipe hat  Razz

[bad] jokes aside... i wish you and all tons of snow and fun... sounds like a good time...
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If my work schedule works out, I'm in! Thanks!
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is this open for beginners?  I have no mountaineering experience and I'd like to learn safely and the right way
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing

This is open to anyone as long as they have crampons, an axe, and a helmet.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm in!
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Taco wrote:
Laughing

This is open to anyone as long as they have crampons, an axe, and a helmet.



Do we need to know how to use them?
I have crampons, worn them twice. No axe, no helmet unless you count my bicycle lid which I doubt.
Reminds me, I found some older Camp rigid-type crampons in my garage when I moved, the kind that latch over the back of your mountaineering boots. Free to good home....

I am definitely in for this.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't own crampons, I've ax or a helmet but I'll put them on my Xmas list.  I don't know how to use then either but I have a general idea.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 10:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im in!  Schneeeeee!  Weeeeeee! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You don't really need to know how to use them, as that's what the clinic is for. Still, find some material online on how to hold an ice axe in piolet canne self-arrest position, and familiarize yourself with the equipment before you're there.

The hike to the hut may require crampons. An axe or poles will probably be helpful.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm interested.   Cool

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jim, your presence would be an honor as always. Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You appear to have misspelled "horror".   Twisted Evil

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If other total newbies are going, then I'll go Smile
I've wanted to learn these things but haven't.
I've wanted to buy these items but haven't.

This is if I'm still here in January because I'm trying to move to Oregon. But I'm currently not trying very well. (Oregon will always be there, right?)

So for those of us who don't even own gear yet, how about some handy recommendations? Smile

Also, you're awesome for doing this Smile
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I'm interested in this as well Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We will probably have some loaner gear up there, and you guys should also use this opportunity to try out anything anyone else is kind enough to lend you for a quick test drive.

If I could recommend a general mountaineering axe for SoCal, I'd go with something light with a steel head and spike and an aluminium shaft. The Black Diamond Raven is nice, and there is a Raven Pro as well.

Hold the axe in your hand with your arms down at your side. The tip of the spike (at the bottom) should be at your anklebone level, according to conventional theory. If it's a little bit longer, it's better for nontechnical stuff like Baldy, San G, Rainier, less-steep slopes. Shorter is better for steeper. I would go with the conventional way first, leaving fancier axes for steeper terrain for later.

Crampons should ideally be a strap type that can fit on many different shoes and boots. Always go with steel crampons in the San Gabes. Aluminium ones require more careful use, and are usually for ski mountaineers. The Black Diamond Contact Strap 10-point crampon is pretty standard. An equal model from Petzl or another company is essentially the same with better this but worse that, the usual trade offs.

I'd suggest a helmet of course. A hard-shell helmet is probably best, though some folks wear the thinner lighter ones climbing sometimes. I've been hit by rockfall a lot of times before and only had it on the head a couple times, but I was glad it was a hardshell, or I'd need a new helmet. The theory is that with a hardshell, you can get hit more before having to get rid of the helmet. Personal choice though.

Footwear is anything waterproof for this clinic. Anything you feel safe on 45 degree snow with. If you plan on doing more mountaineering, buying a good set of light mountain boots such as the La Sportiva Trango would be a very good investment. A stiffer boot means more precision in climbing with crampons, and also makes kick-stepping very easy. That said, I'm sure we've all gone up the Bowl in trailrunners and strap crampons before.

Any other piece of gear I missed? Smile
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I recently picked up a CORSA ice axe to use if I hit sketchy conditions and am worried about self arrest. I'm not planning on doing any technical climbing with it ever. I assume it should be sufficient for this trip. Am I correct in that assumption? I realize a more sturdy head would be better, but since I plan on carrying this on my pack 99 percent of the time and taking it on some sierra backpacking trips I wanted to keep the weight down.
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That sounds just fine to me. I don't think the aluminum head would be beaten on hard enough for it to be a problem. A hollow shaft might provide you with a method of flinging tubular snowballs at greater velocity.
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Excellent. Now I just need crampons and I qualify for the trip Smile. I mainly want to refresh my self arrest skills and maybe meet some like minded people. Thanks for putting this together.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That definitely helps me know what to look for Taco!

I'll have to go dig out my old boots for the crampons! They're in the back of my closet somewhere. I've been hiking in Five Fingers for years now, even in the snow. But not like, yknow, the kind of snow you're talking about Smile

Big winter jackets and base layers and waterproof clothing and heavy boots. I don't know how you guys even move! This should be interesting Smile
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Us fast guys don't wear big heavy anything if we can help it. I'll probably be in a t-shirt most of the time.
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I am definitely interested, and I have one friend interested as well.

I have some minimal experience in snow and have just completed my gear (except helmet).  Grivel G10 crampons and BD raven axe.  I plan to hit something high in the Gabes this month, not sure what yet.

As long as there is not a work conflict, I'll be there.

Thanks in advance for doing this!
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This sounds like a fun and worthwhile way to brush up on our skills, I'm in if it's on a weekend, also have a spare helmet and other stuff if anyone needs it.
Maybe have a few beers afterwards??????
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I'm up to get in some training! I'll be in Mexico 1/10-1/20 to climb Itza, Orizaba, and bum around some, but any weekend outside of that I should be good to go. If there's interest I can bring my crevasse rescue kit and\or avy gear and we can practice if we find a suitable area.
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Need to get more white stuff soon so I can participate, now I'm scheduled for knee surgery on Jan 16. No hiking for eight weeks after that.
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Count me in!

What time would you guys be heading up to stay overnight at the ski hut? I would be up for that as well, if there are people heading up after work the day before.
I've only been up there once, so not sure if I should try getting there by myself in the dark.
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Hi-
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Have required gear and would love to join.
Might need a ride from Echo Park though.
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thiseukaryote wrote:
Count me in!

What time would you guys be heading up to stay overnight at the ski hut? I would be up for that as well, if there are people heading up after work the day before.
I've only been up there once, so not sure if I should try getting there by myself in the dark.


If I could, I'd spend the previous day up there doing something, so probably early morning the day before. This is assuming I can secure the hut for a small-ish group.
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This sounds cool.  I am in.  We just need some snow now.
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Snow?  What's that?

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Originally I figured mid-January, buuuuut... who knows! We will know once the Bowl is in condition.
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Praying for snow and eager to try some mountaineering.  I just got back from dry lake overnight not much snow up there either.  I picked up a book mountaineering freedom of the hills to get me started till the snow!
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I reckon I don't have to tell everyone that this event is being pushed back "hella far", or cancelled altogether. This is the worst winter I've ever experienced, because it isn't even here.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2014 3:51 pm    Post subject: Winter Mountaineering Clinic Reply with quote

Is this Winter Mountaineering Clinic starting to happen again? I see snow! Very Happy
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I second atypicaleric's question. If this is back on again at all this winter, I'd love to join.
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A Saturday in January would be good. I have a very hard time requesting time off despite my extremely low social standing, so we would need to pick a day kinda right now. Confused
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Jan 17th or Jan 24th would be perfect for me! Highly interested, as always haha, I try and get ready for this every year but have never made it via gear, conditions, etc.
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atypicaleric wrote:

"A typical Eric" or "(an) Atypical Eric"?

And in either case...where's the dividing line?
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I'd love to join in on this and meet some of you. Those dates would work for me. Doing Icehouse to Timber tomorrow!
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I would love to join the group as well! I have all the gear and have a few winter ascents already under my belt. Would be great to learn and practice technique.
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OK, so far we have Jan 17 and Jan 24. I like 17. Whadaya say guyz?
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I will be keeping an eye on this thread Taco, the 17th would be awesome. More to hear hopefully as we get closer to than!
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The 17th seems to be the popular choice so far. I'll plan on it and try to get that day off.
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I'm interested as well, I just got back from up there yesterday just past the ski hut, there is so much snow my legs were sinking and to soft for a climb up the face so we had to fall back.

Edit: I can do the 17th but may I request the 10th? It's also a Saturday and 3 weeks away. Maybe I'm just a little impatient Wink
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You can do whatever you please, but I can only have one of those days off. Not that it's required that I'm there, but I typically organize the event.
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I'd love to get in on this...
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